Originally posted by PYRATROOPER

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Here is the thing, Sony and Microsoft, even said they think digital distribution of games is the future and physical media is the past and Nintendo just doesn't get that at this point.
Think about it this way if the do digital for all games the prices on retail games would go down because at this point the money has to be divided up up a few ways, developer and/or publisher, distributor (shipper) and store . So with digital distribution you would cut out 1 or 2: it would be developer and/or publisher and Sony or Microsoft.
They are concerned about piracy and they want to destroy the used game market which supposedly robs them of millions in profits each year.

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Wow I cannot even believe you typed what I just read.

Here is the thing, Sony and Microsoft can say all they want, but actual statistics have shown that people who purchase products prefer it in a physical form. Their word is not gospel, they've been saying this for years and it still has not taken off for them.

Think about it this way, if the standard becomes nothing but digital downloads, you then have to wait for a download of a large game instead of being able to purchase the game and play it instantly. This could take a long time, and large games could pose problematic on shoddy Internet connections or ones with low bandwidth. This would also open the floodgates for developers to push bad products out fast in order to flood the market with cheaply made and terrible games, as they'd need no publisher to go through. Reading the manual becomes a hassle too, especially if you have a television that gives you trouble reading small text like a CRT (Zoom in on everything!). So in exchange for making the end-user irritated, developers can make products cheaper? Not a good trade-off at all. You also have to throw the dice with how many families don't understand the Internet or how downloading things works. Many don't want their credit card information online, many don't understand why they can't purchase it physically, many will be turned off to all of this and effectively stop playing video games altogether.

They are concerned about piracy, and that's okay. However, they base their profit loss on download numbers, but it should be understandable that a download does not equal a lost sale. I can download a game, try it once, like it, and then proceed to purchase it. A good reason to do this is of course to try something that doesn't have a demo. Some people purchase products and then install it via a cracked copy to skip having terrible DRM, such as ones with rootkits or ones that require downloading the games data off of servers while you play (Look at Assassin's Creed 2 for PC, that was horribly mishandled). Another thing that should be considered is that many pirates aren't going to buy every single game they pirate anyways, even if the game wasn't cracked or possible to pirate. There are also people who redownload because they lost the file, because they want to reseed, because they simply want a backup copy of their legitimately owned game to poke through (Brawl hacking for instance). There are too many factors that are not included and are impossible to be included, and the industry has barely caught on to that fact.

The used games market is a morality dispute and of course the video game industry is going to combat it for profitability. Imagine if car manufacturers actually made it possible so that once you bought a car, nobody else could use it. Or if your chair you bought was created in a way that only your body could sit on it, and that it would break when someone else did. How about if Internet Service Providers restricted each full price account to one person via fingerprint/eyescan log-in? Seems ridiculous, and the same feeling should be mutual for video games.

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Originally posted by PYRATROOPER

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Originally posted by Sails

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Originally posted by PYRATROOPER

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Here is the thing, Sony and Microsoft, even said they think digital distribution of games is the future and physical media is the past and Nintendo just doesn't get that at this point.
Think about it this way if the do digital for all games the prices on retail games would go down because at this point the money has to be divided up up a few ways, developer and/or publisher, distributor (shipper) and store . So with digital distribution you would cut out 1 or 2: it would be developer and/or publisher and Sony or Microsoft.
They are concerned about piracy and they want to destroy the used game market which supposedly robs them of millions in profits each year.

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Wow I cannot even believe you typed what I just read.

Here is the thing, Sony and Microsoft can say all they want, but actual statistics have shown that people who purchase products prefer it in a physical form. Their word is not gospel, they've been saying this for years and it still has not taken off for them.

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Not for PC games, Last year more people downloaded there PC games then purchasing them in stores.

Also the DMCA was created because of copyright treaties and DRM was created because of those treaties.
And anyone who doesn't understand that when purchase a CD, Game, or Movie you still do not own it is an idiot because all you are purchasing is license to use it.

Also you are only allowed to create one back up of the CD you own which means you only can make one burned CD or put it once on a mp3 player you can not do both.

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"...they've been saying this for years and it still has not taken off for them." I've been refreshing this page, waiting for you to respond and say something in relation to PC or Steam. I knew it was a matter of time before you showed your inability to read. I'm not talking about PC, that's an entirely different platform and your average video game consuming family supports consoles far more over PC gaming.

Also, what games are you purchasing that are licensed? MMOs? I just cracked open my copy of 3D Dot Game Heroes and Uncharted for PS3, and there is nothing in here stating that I am being licensed this product. I purchased the disc, I purchased the product, it's mine to own and I am not being licensed it. Unless the software requires online activation there is no licensing of games. I'm not agreeing to any license when I boot these games up either, so you really don't know what you are talking about.

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Originally posted by PYRATROOPER

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I know a copyright lawyer and he told me you merely purchase a license to play the content and create one backup under US law. Maybe it's diffrent you live but that is the in the USA sorry if offended anyone in anyway.

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You're wrong again. I'm very well equipped with knowledge of American law as I live here, and I have very solid knowledge of almost everything that goes on in the gaming industry. My entire days are spent reading news from various sources, and copyright law and consumer restrictions are on top of my radar always, as they're very interesting. Your copyright lawyer friend is wrong. Licensed software belong to computer gaming, in which you agree to the terms.

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The first fucking few lines of what you just pasted completely invalidates your points pyratrooper and reinforces everything we've been saying about how video games on consoles are not licensed to you. You owned yourself, there.

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