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Posted on 01-09-09 04:15:58 PM Link | Quote
What the hell? No harmful criticism? Does that mean I should just praise you for trying and say nothing should be changed when it looks like you put no real effort into it?

Clicking a checkmark in the blending options is NOT good Photoshop skills. In fact you would be REDICULED for even thinking it is proper design!

In fact, here is what a LITTLE effort can do. FIVE minutes tops.



Notice the font effects. Took everything you did with your font, but CHANGED the settings to make something new. Notice the gradient isn't black and white. Notice the drop shadow is brought to the top, opacity changed, and size/spread change to give it the effect of 3D. Notice the bevel is kept simple but not bulky. The only added effect is the Satin, which I modified as well.

THAT is what I'm telling you to fix! Using the default settings makes things look dull since everyone knows how to click checkmarks, not to mention it makes anything looks horrible.

Vintage? That is NOT vintage. That just looks like you spent no effort on resizing. And saying PIXEL ART looks horrible kept PIXELATED is absolutely hilarious. IT SHOULD STAY PIXELATED! How hard is that for me to explain!?

Pixel fonts should be kept pixelated. That is why they are pixel fonts. By anti-aliasing them you are better off choosing a compltely new font as the pixel font became completely trashed.

I've given enough criticism for you to put some effort into it, and all you are doing is giving me excuses as to why you didn't do more with your banner. None of those are valid excuses. You can start putting some effort into your banner and maybe then I'll consider taking you seriously.

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Posted on 01-09-09 04:17:03 PM Link | Quote
Well he also meant the resizing. Basically, sometimes pixelation can be a nono artwise. Like in a fancomic, you don't want a lot of things look artificial like in a video game. But since this is a banner it could work. But drawing them just how they are instead, would boost the image up much better. Like kinda tracing them with the paintbrush tool. Just don't do it too fast or you'll make them all crooked.
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Posted on 01-09-09 04:24:01 PM (last edited by Microworm at 01-09-09 01:25 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by cpubasic13
What the hell? No harmful criticism? Does that mean I should just praise you for trying and say nothing should be changed when it looks like you put no real effort into it?

Clicking a checkmark in the blending options is NOT good Photoshop skills. In fact you would be REDICULED for even thinking it is proper design!

In fact, here is what a LITTLE effort can do. FIVE minutes tops.



Notice the font effects. Took everything you did with your font, but CHANGED the settings to make something new. Notice the gradient isn't black and white. Notice the drop shadow is brought to the top, opacity changed, and size/spread change to give it the effect of 3D. Notice the bevel is kept simple but not bulky. The only added effect is the Satin, which I modified as well.

THAT is what I'm telling you to fix! Using the default settings makes things look dull since everyone knows how to click checkmarks, not to mention it makes anything looks horrible.

Vintage? That is NOT vintage. That just looks like you spent no effort on resizing. And saying PIXEL ART looks horrible kept PIXELATED is absolutely hilarious. IT SHOULD STAY PIXELATED! How hard is that for me to explain!?

Pixel fonts should be kept pixelated. That is why they are pixel fonts. By anti-aliasing them you are better off choosing a compltely new font as the pixel font became completely trashed.

I've given enough criticism for you to put some effort into it, and all you are doing is giving me excuses as to why you didn't do more with your banner. None of those are valid excuses. You can start putting some effort into your banner and maybe then I'll consider taking you seriously.


well, this is the first time ever i use photoshop. i know that clicking a checkmark isn't good skills, i know i'm not good at image creating, but you could be a bit more encouraging with photoshop starters like me.

also, for my banner, you can tell it's ugly for whatever reasons, but i don't like seeing lots of "negative" stuff like "your banner looks horrible, the bevel is horrible, the mushrooms are horrible, etc...".

so you think that i should remove anti-aliasing because it's pixel art? hmm, yeah, i'll have a look at that...

btw, your banner looks really good! congrats!
of course, you're way better than me with photoshop.

Originally posted by Tera
Well he also meant the resizing. Basically, sometimes pixelation can be a nono artwise. Like in a fancomic, you don't want a lot of things look artificial like in a video game. But since this is a banner it could work. But drawing them just how they are instead, would boost the image up much better. Like kinda tracing them with the paintbrush tool. Just don't do it too fast or you'll make them all crooked.


if i understand right, i should draw the shrooms myself? well, it can be a good idea, but i've never been very good at drawing stuff with a paintbrush, using a mouse.

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Posted on 01-09-09 04:26:10 PM Link | Quote
Simply put:

It sucks. It sucks hard.

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Posted on 01-09-09 04:27:15 PM Link | Quote
what sucks?

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Posted on 01-09-09 04:27:57 PM Link | Quote
iT'S EAIER TO TRACE IT WITH A PAINTBRUSH WITH A MOUSE THAN TO DRAW THEM FROM SCRATCH. *types capslock* It won't be incredibly effortful I don't think. Also, listen to CPU. He knows a LOT. This forum is for criticism from all points and places. Even if it's a little hard to swallow.
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Posted on 01-09-09 04:30:46 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tera
Also, listen to CPU. He knows a LOT. This forum is for criticism from all points and places. Even if it's a little hard to swallow.


sure! seeing how good his banner looks, he even knows LOTS.

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Posted on 01-10-09 03:05:35 AM Link | Quote
When starting Photoshop look through cool tutorials.

You will learn things 10x faster doing it yourself doing other things than you will figuring it out without aid like that or using a tutorial for Photoshop. Trust me.

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Posted on 01-10-09 03:14:03 AM (last edited by Sonicandtails at 01-10-09 12:22 AM) Link | Quote
Since I want to stay out of the flame war, I'm just going to also say that using tutorials will help you learn Photoshop extremely fast.

I learned a lot in Photoshop with this:
http://fireball20xl.com/avast.html

It was for sprite comics, but after doing the entire thing and learning the various tools, you play around a bit on your own and get the gist of everything else pretty quickly.

Enjoy!

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Posted on 01-10-09 09:09:18 AM Link | Quote
thank you!

i had some reflexion about all that before going in bed. thank you evenrybody for your advices! i'll try to follow them when creating the second version of my banner.

and, cpubasic13, i agree, your criticism is constructive, but a bit discouraging for photohop beginners.
but i should have said that i'm a potoshop beginner in the first post. i'll correct it.

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Posted on 01-10-09 04:01:23 PM Link | Quote

Shiny new layout!
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Constructive criticism can be hard to take when you're just starting out. That's why you've got to tell us you're a beginner in the first place.

I'm afraid I can't speak for everyone pushing tutorials, as I taught myself everything I know about photoshop by just screwing around with things and having a little fun with it. Believe me though, it's a lot easier to go out and do things with a program when you know exactly what that program can do.

Just keep fiddling with things on your own and you'll eventually hit something.

Also



I know it's not a banner, but it's just an example of something that I've done. Used the pen tool, gradients, and bevel. Just trying to prove that it's not what you use, it's how effectively you use it. Understand?

Also, google "photoshop brushed metal" in response to your earlier inquiries. There's multiple tutorials that should pop up.

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Posted on 01-10-09 06:55:12 PM Link | Quote


<object width="80" height="185">

<embed src="http://bbsplat.googlepages.com/bounce.swf" width="80" height="185">
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Originally posted by Microworm
and, cpubasic13, i agree, your criticism is constructive, but a bit discouraging for photohop beginners.

The purpose of criticism isn't to mindlessly praise you. The point of criticism is to point out what's wrong so you can fix it.

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Posted on 01-10-09 07:03:44 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Data Genius
image


The gradients on this are really, really awkward on the right edge of the point. White, black fading to red? Very... odd selection.

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Originally posted by Gig
Originally posted by Data Genius
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The gradients on this are really, really awkward on the right edge of the point. White, black fading to red? Very... odd selection.

I was actually about to mention this.
If it were to, say, blend smoothly from black surrounded by white to black surrounded by red, it could work, I think.

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Posted on 01-10-09 09:21:53 PM (last edited by Fate Testarossa at 01-10-09 06:22 PM) Link | Quote


I was given an image and this is what resulted.

I ended up doing that for someone the other night. Pretty much a simple job of calling for the right text formatting on top of creating layers off originating ones (original layer, stroke layer, shadow layer all split). Then I used bevel, gradient and went from there. I'm not big on using the pen tool either (mostly because I dunno how).

Pretty simplistic and that generally feeds back into having a good banner by STAYING simplistic via KISS principle.

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Posted on 01-11-09 09:25:46 AM Link | Quote
hmm... so, if i understand right, i should use different gradient/bevel/etc, not blur the mushrooms or the font, and make the font use different colors, right?

i'll take care of all your advices when creating the second version of the banner.

and, Data Genuis, about your picture, at the left side, i don't like the direct transition from white to dark red, but otherwise, it looks good.

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Posted on 01-12-09 01:31:42 AM Link | Quote
Basically, if you just checkmark it, you aren't putting effort into it.

There is a LOT you can do with the blending options. You just have to experiment.

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Posted on 01-12-09 11:47:13 AM Link | Quote
sure! you're right!

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Posted on 01-21-09 04:57:59 PM Link | Quote
hi!

i've created a new version of the banner.
thank you everybody for your advices!
i took care of them when making this new version, enough i hope.

see it on the first post. i left the first version though.

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Meh. Not really Jul's style.

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line 309 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 489 column 163 - Warning: <table> attribute "height" has invalid value "350px"
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line 698 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 698 column 245 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 396 column 4450 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 404 column 5197 - Warning: trimming empty <i>
line 494 column 583 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 495 column 623 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 496 column 995 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 552 column 309 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 692 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 179 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 219 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 232 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 286 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 288 column 1735 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 288 column 1830 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 290 column 2213 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 301 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 326 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 339 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 366 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 368 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 394 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 396 column 4153 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 415 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 445 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 448 column 1061 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 487 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 489 column 163 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 520 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 550 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 552 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 580 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 582 column 1735 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 582 column 1830 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 588 column 2754 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 599 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 628 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 630 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 643 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 655 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 686 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 688 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 688 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 688 column 348 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 384 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md