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Posted on 10-21-08 04:12:57 PM (last edited by Fate Testarossa at 10-21-08 01:20 PM)

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Biden seems to think that Obama will be tested six months after being elected...

Senator McCain and Madeline Albright definitely agree with that. Nice saying that one out loud.

Ought to search for the whole Biden sound byte on that. I only heard a partial snippit in it and I was already afraid from some of the stuff he said...mentioning the fact that some of the things that they will do will likely have their presidential rating plummet because what they seem to be doing will be wrong.

I mean major foot-in-mouth by Biden. He's off the campaign trail today.

Now that I think about it...wasn't this supposed to be the total opposite? Were there not sayings about how everyone in the world will love Obama over McCain when he gets elected? So what of this now? This makes no sense.

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Posted on 10-27-08 02:51:38 PM (last edited by Fate Testarossa at 10-27-08 11:57 AM)

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I've voted and everything, btw...but I figured for those undecided that I'd show this off...

Apparently, Biden wasn't too happy with some of the questions an Florida-based news station. WFTV it seems. And it looks like the Obama campaign has cut them off after said interview.

Man...you guys on the dem side need someone better than him. You would've had better lucky with Hillary.

EDIT: Oh and for a chip-in, since I guess I'm not on Obama's case, I'll throw this in to even it up...

I like-a-da 'distribute the wealth'.

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Posted on 10-27-08 04:08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
Apparently, Biden wasn't too happy with some of the questions an Florida-based news station. WFTV it seems. And it looks like the Obama campaign has cut them off after said interview.

Are you kidding me? That interview was nothing but an attack piece. Between questions that are basically "Are you ashamed of Obama?" and quoting Karl Marx, there's no way you could think that wasn't some Neocon shill trying to get the leap on Biden.

Hell, I thought he did pretty well. I mean, how many people can watch that, actually listen to the questions, and not also go "...Is she serious?"

Also, watch her "Interview" (Read: Asskissing) with McCain. She was basically like.. "So, how awesome are you?" "Is Obama evil?"

Doesn't help that her and her husband are basically married to the republican party.

Oh, by the way, Hiryuu? Fox News? Not actually fair and balanced.

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Posted on 10-27-08 04:11:37 PM (last edited by Fate Testarossa at 10-27-08 01:12 PM)

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Are you kidding me? That interview was nothing but an attack piece...

If it was? So what...so have others been on other candidates, regardless of them being democrat or republican, if you've been listening.

And you keep talking this fair and balanced thing...you keep saying Rush is an idiot when I can easily counter the same thing that you say about anything you're being mindful of as your views - that gets neither you nor I anywhere. I could make the same claims as you but nothing's really proven regardless of that.

You keep saying all this but you've yet to really tell me what exactly is right in the media out of all of this. What do you think is a good thing to look at? I'd like to see where you get your news from so I can verify your claims about how wrong that interview and everything that I've just mentioned is as well.

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Posted on 10-27-08 04:16:40 PM

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Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
You keep saying all this but you've yet to really tell me what exactly is right in the media out of all of this. What do you think is a good thing to look at? I'd like to see where you get your news from so I can verify your claims about how wrong that interview and everything that I've just mentioned is as well.

I just linked you to the piece talking about the West family.

And it seems that both VP Candidates don't necessarily like their interviews.

Then again, you can't really avoid this situation when you have a bunch of "mavericks," can you?

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Posted on 10-27-08 04:18:28 PM (last edited by Fate Testarossa at 10-27-08 01:27 PM)

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So just CNN then?

OK. Then I definitely understand your basis then for most of your thoughts on the democratic party. Thanks for pointing that out.

Lemme add on here...I just don't think you get my point. Lemme play Devil's Advocate here for a second - here we have an example of a possible or blatent, depending on your viewpoint, attack towards yourself in terms of claims being laid against you that have been reasons you've been under fire. In this case, the democratic party and numerous claims that have gone unanswered for the most part.

Now Biden did the best he could in terms of answering all of that but he didn't do everything he could have and with the attitude that he showed numerous times throughout that on top of the cut-off the Obama campaign said afterwards is a clear sign that it is possible that they're trying to cover up something. It may or may not be true, but it is a nice possibility and it is not something you want to do for your party.

If I was in his shoes, I would've nailed it right back at her without the attitude - find a way to discredit all of what she had just said without the bullshit about 'is this a joke?' and 'your question writer' quips that do him nothing but look like an ass. If you would've done that and done it well, it would've easily been something to use against the Republican party to go 'Hey, remember all those claims you said about our party? Well, look at this...'

The obvious view on this is that he wasn't ready for being attacked. Anyone that is unprepared and gets something that is wholly against them shot at them acts the same way - it's human nature. Biden was obviously not prepared for what he got and it shows. Even if the claims were untrue towards the party, it doesn't help him and yet makes it worse with his speech here.

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Posted on 10-27-08 04:28:51 PM

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MSNBC as well.

For example, you can't have an Economic Conservative spend that much on clothes,

Hell, even Fox News puts up some stories showing the Republicans in a negative light sometimes.

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Posted on 10-27-08 04:33:02 PM (last edited by Fate Testarossa at 10-27-08 01:34 PM)

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See my previous extended post.

PMSNBC is demmy-fueled. CBS is mostly. CNN too. Fox News is actually fairly good in terms of being on the line but gets discredited a lot of times for being as such. NewsMax is primarily repub, same with Rush.

All your other sites in regards to this will tell you exactly what they believe.

Media is bias-fueled, and most of this is democratic that I keep reading, so you're really going to have to look at what you're presented and determine if 'this attack piece is bull' or 'hey, this actually has a point'.

It all depends where you're getting your stuff...hence why I looked at local where it actually happened before I decided to go to the higher ups that it didn't even happen to for an interpretation.

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Posted on 10-27-08 04:38:39 PM (last edited by Shadic at 10-27-08 01:40 PM)

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Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
It all depends where you're getting your stuff...hence why I looked at local where it actually happened before I decided to go to the higher ups that it didn't even happen to for an interpretation.

And I linked you to the same reporter on the same station interviewing McCain. You'd have to be freakishly dense to not notice that she was hard on Biden, why practically swooning McCain.

Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
The obvious view on this is that he wasn't ready for being attacked. Anyone that is unprepared and gets something that is wholly against them shot at them acts the same way - it's human nature. Biden was obviously not prepared for what he got and it shows. Even if the claims were untrue towards the party, it doesn't help him and yet makes it worse with his speech here.

She caught him off-guard with a ridiculous question. He still batted everything back at her. Look at the link I sent about Palin, she's still bitching about the Couric interview. And if you think Couric lobs anything but softballs..

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Posted on 10-27-08 05:22:22 PM

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Just...

For what it's worth, I voted as well.

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Posted on 10-27-08 06:05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Shadic
Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
It all depends where you're getting your stuff...hence why I looked at local where it actually happened before I decided to go to the higher ups that it didn't even happen to for an interpretation.

And I linked you to the same reporter on the same station interviewing McCain. You'd have to be freakishly dense to not notice that she was hard on Biden, why practically swooning McCain.

Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
The obvious view on this is that he wasn't ready for being attacked. Anyone that is unprepared and gets something that is wholly against them shot at them acts the same way - it's human nature. Biden was obviously not prepared for what he got and it shows. Even if the claims were untrue towards the party, it doesn't help him and yet makes it worse with his speech here.

She caught him off-guard with a ridiculous question. He still batted everything back at her. Look at the link I sent about Palin, she's still bitching about the Couric interview. And if you think Couric lobs anything but softballs..

Couric also cut Joe the Plumber off when he was sticking it to Obama saying that 'he was going to be put on the net interview for the rest of it'. Yea, sure.

Repubs get these kind of questions all the time. Demmies like Biden get it once and they have a fit. Heck it wasn't so long ago that Obama complained that McCain threw the 'race' card out when he never had. I'd deal with it if it ever came. Whine whine whine.

Anyways, sorry, I'm just not buying your complaints on this issue regardless of her 'attacking' him or not when it's fair game on either camp. That's the whole point of debate. It's an attack for an answer of a question. Your vice presidential candidate failed to do a decent job.

I'll end this on a light note, since this is getting retarded debating this anyways, ask Biden how many letters are in the word JOBS next time. There are four, he claims three. J-O-B-S.

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Posted on 10-27-08 06:54:48 PM

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Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
Anyways, sorry, I'm just not buying your complaints on this issue regardless of her 'attacking' him or not when it's fair game on either camp.

Have you ever?

You don't "buy" anything; you just summarily toss it out, call it bullshit, occasionally link to Faux News and call it a day. Oh, and claim everything else is super-biased towards Democrats.

Then again, as I said before; you practically live in Hicksville (AR). So at least your behavior could be written off with that excuse.

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Posted on 10-27-08 09:08:35 PM

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And you're also in Demmy-Washington. :\

I'm done for now.

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Posted on 10-27-08 09:24:40 PM

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Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
And you're also in Demmy-Washington. :\

I'm done for now.

Actually, he's on the East side of Washington. Look at the east side vs. the west side.

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Posted on 10-27-08 09:26:34 PM

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Wikipedia is accurate.^{[citation needed]}

I told you I was done.

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Posted on 10-27-08 09:28:17 PM

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Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
Wikipedia is accurate.^{[citation needed]}

I told you I was done.

You know what that is?

A fucking voting map from the gubernatorial election in 2004. Stop bitching.

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Posted on 10-27-08 09:29:15 PM

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Originally posted by Shadic
Originally posted by Fate Testarossa
Wikipedia is accurate.^{[citation needed]}

I told you I was done.

You know what that is?

A fucking voting map from the gubernatorial election in 2004. Stop bitching.

Wait... So if I posted a gubernatorial election 2004 voting map from Rush, would that be ok?

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Posted on 10-27-08 09:30:30 PM (last edited by Shadic at 10-28-08 12:41 AM)

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If it's accurate. It's not like you can go back and claim what was recorded didn't happen.

The point I was making was that the East Side of Washington is rather conservative, especially compared to the west. Guess where Xk is residing? The east side.

Oh yeah, don't forget about how clueless both Palin and McCain are to the scientific process, and the needs thereof.

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Posted on 10-28-08 04:45:54 AM

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For what it's worth, I actually lived in Nevada, which you would really have a hard time pinning either way. (They've voted with the winner, including, yes, Bush both times.)

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