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Posted on 04-16-08 07:49:10 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Delpolo
Originally posted by Drag
I think it's something like "Oh hey, such and such got a new layout... hmm... come to think of it, I kinda want to make a new layout too, I mean I've had this one for a while and blah blah burp my posts look too plain without any type of layout.

It's more like that for me. It'd be possible for me to make a better one than this, but I don't have the time yet.

Actually, I just thought of the possible lag made by the animation, so...

Here: Your layout sucks and is hard on the eyes.

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Posted on 04-16-08 08:31:29 PM (last edited by Delpolo at 04-16-08 05:55 PM) Link | Quote

Well then, any way to improve it? I'm thinking about putting a border for the textbox...

EDIT= How about this layout? If not this, I might just not have a layout at all.

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Posted on 04-16-08 09:18:41 PM Link | Quote

Shiny new layout!
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Originally posted by Delpolo
Well then, any way to improve it? I'm thinking about putting a border for the textbox...
Getting a solid (or slightly transparent) textbox will help your case tremendously.

Also: A note about close and repeating backgrounds: dont use them.

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Posted on 04-16-08 10:55:31 PM (last edited by Delpolo at 04-16-08 07:55 PM) Link | Quote
When you say close, do you mean so small that you know where it repeats?
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Posted on 04-16-08 11:01:09 PM Link | Quote

Shiny new layout!
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Originally posted by Delpolo
When you say close, do you mean so small that you know where it repeats?
By close I mean things that tile in under 64x64 blocks.

(My background tiles, but you'd never be able to tell )

Your old one not only repeated in such a small space, it was a little hard on the eyes. With a good repeating background, you shouldnt be able to tell where things are "tiled"

Look at SMAS SMB underground backgrounds for example.

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Posted on 04-16-08 11:26:38 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, I understand, but your example isn't exactly the best one since the game background scrolls more slowly, but I digress.

I'm working on another background right now (is 300x240 -- plus a repeating 300x150 right over it -- so I'm hoping it's big enough).
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Posted on 04-16-08 11:35:41 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Delpolo
Yeah, I understand, but your example isn't exactly the best one since the game background scrolls more slowly, but I digress.

I'm working on another background right now (is 300x240 -- plus a repeating 300x150 right over it -- so I'm hoping it's big enough).

Well, also make sure the file isn't too big- file size is the key here though, and most game graphics that aren't 3d shouldn't go over if it's in the right format.

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I know that I should try to make the lowest size possible (albeit with the highest quality at the same time), but which format should I use? I have to use .gif for animations (only two in my soon-to-be layout, most likely), so I guess I should go with .gif, but I'm not so good with formats.
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Posted on 04-16-08 11:46:32 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Delpolo
I know that I should try to make the lowest size possible (albeit with the highest quality at the same time), but which format should I use? I have to use .gif for animations (only two in my soon-to-be layout, most likely), so I guess I should go with .gif, but I'm not so good with formats.

The big issue with .GIF is that certain programs save GIF files poorly, and color information is limited. Another option would be the .PNG format. Most of the images in my layout are PNG, though Popful Mail herself is a GIF for transparency purposes.

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Posted on 04-16-08 11:50:01 PM Link | Quote
Thanks for the quick replies, but should I just make a new topic and continue the discussion there? I feel like I took over Drag's topic...
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Posted on 04-17-08 12:09:04 AM Link | Quote

Shiny new layout!
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Originally posted by Delpolo
Thanks for the quick replies, but should I just make a new topic and continue the discussion there? I feel like I took over Drag's topic...
Make a new layout first and then we can help you a bit more...

*Kattwah goes back to considering his "layout compilation" idea.

That's at least 8 different layouts <.<

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Posted on 04-17-08 12:25:40 AM (last edited by Xkeeper at 04-16-08 09:25 PM) Link | Quote
Making the color scheme less eye-gougingly bright will help.

Just make the background much darker. You won't even have to put in a shaded textbox or anything.

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Posted on 04-17-08 01:37:34 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Imajin
Originally posted by Delpolo
I know that I should try to make the lowest size possible (albeit with the highest quality at the same time), but which format should I use? I have to use .gif for animations (only two in my soon-to-be layout, most likely), so I guess I should go with .gif, but I'm not so good with formats.

The big issue with .GIF is that certain programs save GIF files poorly, and color information is limited. Another option would be the .PNG format. Most of the images in my layout are PNG, though Popful Mail herself is a GIF for transparency purposes.
The only remaining reason for using GIF is animation. PNG does everything else with as many colors and levels of opacity you need, and will almost always* be smaller than GIF.

*Please note that this statement is based on optimized PNGs, and not all programs are capable of properly optimizing PNGs. Like MSPaint. Transparent GIFs smaller than 100 by 100 pixels may not compress smaller as PNG.

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line 207 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 209 column 223 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 209 column 223 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 209 column 393 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 237 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 240 column 196 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 269 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 295 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 298 column 196 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 331 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 359 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 361 column 130 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 361 column 130 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "background"
line 361 column 130 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "border"
line 361 column 227 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 361 column 227 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 361 column 332 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 361 column 350 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 361 column 350 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 361 column 461 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 361 column 490 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 361 column 490 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 361 column 596 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 365 column 1243 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 365 column 1342 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 365 column 1342 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "background"
line 365 column 1430 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 365 column 1535 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 365 column 1637 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 365 column 1637 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "background"
line 389 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 415 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 417 column 130 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 417 column 130 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "background"
line 417 column 130 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "border"
line 417 column 227 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 417 column 227 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 417 column 332 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 417 column 350 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 417 column 350 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 417 column 461 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 417 column 490 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 417 column 490 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 417 column 596 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 419 column 1355 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 419 column 1454 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 419 column 1454 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "background"
line 419 column 1542 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 419 column 1647 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 419 column 1749 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 419 column 1749 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "background"
line 443 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 469 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 472 column 196 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 503 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 531 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 342 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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