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Posted on 02-19-08 12:03:00 AM Link
Why the hell would they replace Marth with Roy when Marth was announced on the freaking site?

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Posted on 02-19-08 12:05:41 AM Link
Randomly. I'm not saying they take Marth out of the game. I'm saying they put in a 1:3 chance (or something) that you play it and find Roy where Marth was last game.

Similar to how Classic works now. Or how Melee's Adventure mode level 1 is if you don't know about the correct time for Luigi.

Of course, what S&T said kinda killed that one. Oh well.
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Posted on 02-19-08 12:16:40 AM Link

I wonder how big the characters would be to download... I also wonder why the save file is about 8 megabytes. (128 blocks)
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Posted on 02-19-08 12:18:23 AM Link
Originally posted by teconmoon
I wonder how big the characters would be to download... I also wonder why the save file is about 8 megabytes. (128 blocks)

Character unlocks, stage unlocks, SSE progress, music unlocks, records.

Oh, most importantly, daily content downloads.

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Posted on 02-19-08 12:27:06 AM Link

If they did include Roy and Mewtwo in SSE, they'd have to go through the massive hassle of including new segments of the plot with new videos. And, depending on how early or late they appear in the story, they might even have to make alternate versions for each subsequent video.


Then again, there is that mysterious month delay when we know most of the Englishness has already been done, so it's possible they maybe included a bonus level or something.

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Posted on 02-19-08 12:27:24 AM Link
Marth is 14.9MB in total in the ISO. That's less then a N64 ROM, so I can see downloadable characters easily coming in to play.

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Posted on 02-19-08 06:50:19 AM Link
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Posted on 02-19-08 11:26:14 AM Link

Wow, I actually learned a thing or two.



And that last screen gave me a laugh.

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Posted on 02-19-08 01:19:05 PM Link
Originally posted by The Smash Bros. Dojo
Some sort of crystal forms on Zelda’s sides

Is it bad that I read that as "Some sort of Crystal forums on Zelda's site"?

Any way, it's always nice to know how the characters work. Knowing strengths for when you're playing that character, and knowing weaknesses when you aren't.
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Posted on 02-19-08 04:47:51 PM Link
Originally posted by Sonicandtails
Marth is 14.9MB in total in the ISO. That's less then a N64 ROM, so I can see downloadable characters easily coming in to play.


That would be amazing, and pretty easy for a few characters, seeing as some are already partially programmed in.


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Posted on 02-19-08 05:25:16 PM Link
Torn on downloaded characters.
Pro:
  1. More characters

Con:
  1. I can't download them, nor can people who don't have higher speed connections. (dial-up blows.) </Selfish>
  2. What if nintendo dies/does not support downloading chars in the future when you want to play this game again?
  3. Silly other reasons here, like space.


Yeah. Selfish me.

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Posted on 02-19-08 05:34:57 PM Link
Originally posted by Darkdata
Torn on downloaded characters.
Pro:
  1. More characters

Con:
  1. I can't download them, nor can people who don't have higher speed connections. (dial-up blows.) </Selfish>
  2. What if nintendo dies/does not support downloading chars in the future when you want to play this game again?
  3. Silly other reasons here, like space.


Yeah. Selfish me.


Con 2: I doubt it... unless they kill Wii Shop Channel I mean, maybe in 5 years, when the next console's out, but until then...

Con 3: SD cards... Just swap out, maybe they could have three downloadable char slots at a time, copy the extras to an SD card when they're not being used.

Also, has everyone forgot about customizable control schemes? Or are the default ones just better?


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Posted on 02-19-08 05:39:47 PM Link
Originally posted by Darkdata
What if nintendo dies/does not support downloading chars in the future when you want to play this game again?

Unless you actually delete the save file, I don't think that's a huge issue. Unless you're seriously that late to try (and fail) to download them the first time.
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Posted on 02-19-08 06:48:28 PM Link

I think that would only apply to Japan, seeing as how he mentioned nothing of downloadable content for anybody else.


Plus, there's a chance they might make a Brawl 1.1 with Roy and Mewtwo coded in just for convenience. Or something.

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Posted on 02-19-08 07:01:33 PM Link

Originally posted by Darkdata
Torn on downloaded characters.
Pro:
  1. More characters

Con:
  1. I can't download them, nor can people who don't have higher speed connections. (dial-up blows.) </Selfish>
  2. What if nintendo dies/does not support downloading chars in the future when you want to play this game again?
  3. Silly other reasons here, like space.


Yeah. Selfish me.


For number 1, use the Nintendo usb Wi-Fi adapter for your computer and leave it on over night.

For number 2, the same could be said for Microsoft if they died and someone wanted to play Halo 3 in the future and couldn't download some map packs.

Number 3, couldn't they like also release an update disk for those who don't have internet?

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Posted on 02-19-08 07:01:57 PM Link
Originally posted by Darkdata
What if nintendo dies/does not support downloading chars in the future when you want to play this game again?

How many years will it be before Nintendo decides to axe the online in Brawl due to not as much activity?

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Posted on 02-19-08 07:06:02 PM (last edited by Darkdata at 02-19-08 04:06 PM) Link
Originally posted by cpubasic13
Originally posted by Darkdata
What if nintendo dies/does not support downloading chars in the future when you want to play this game again?

How many years will it be before Nintendo decides to axe the online in Brawl due to not as much activity?

mmh... Good Point.

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Posted on 02-20-08 01:05:11 AM Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQrlZLuKI4

How could they have missed this with all those damn delays? Also, Sakurai speaking on Brawl this Friday. I guarantee sackloads of bullshit.

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Posted on 02-20-08 01:20:24 AM (last edited by The Red Snifit at 02-19-08 10:21 PM) Link
DT...
1. Very few games are glitch free, so I don't see the point of getting mad over a single glitch.
2. This could be fixed for all of the later releases, as there have been glitch fixes from the Japanese version of a game to the American version before.
3. You just can't try everything possible to try to find glitches. These people are only human. :/

So, I'm not in any way concerned or mad about this. I can't see this happening during normal play often, so it won't really affect me.
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What TRS said + it's a pretty insignificant glitch, why are you getting so worked up over it?

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line 752 column 949 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&page"
line 752 column 983 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&page"
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line 752 column 1022 - Warning: missing </font> before </table>
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line 754 column 50 - Warning: missing </font> before </td>
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line 754 column 183 - Warning: missing </font> before </table>
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line 308 column 16 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 308 column 59 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 308 column 102 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 308 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 308 column 188 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 384 column 626 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 509 column 590 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 509 column 590 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 610 column 276 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 638 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 646 column 846 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 653 column 11 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" has invalid value "orange"
line 654 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 654 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 654 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 654 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 655 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 665 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 672 column 1003 - Warning: <div> anchor "darkdataxmas-main" already defined
line 672 column 1095 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 674 column 1728 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 674 column 1802 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 721 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 740 column 37 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 747 column 286 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "888888" and has been replaced
line 755 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 755 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 755 column 216 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 764 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 769 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 262 column 311 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 291 column 344 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 357 column 1412 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 383 column 344 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 449 column 429 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 449 column 422 - Warning: trimming empty <small>
line 452 column 886 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 508 column 429 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 508 column 422 - Warning: trimming empty <small>
line 519 column 1594 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 572 column 344 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 645 column 311 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 749 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 179 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 203 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 233 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 260 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 262 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 289 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 298 column 1096 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 325 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 352 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 354 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 355 column 1179 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 381 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 391 column 856 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 418 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 447 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 476 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 506 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 543 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 570 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 579 column 869 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 606 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 643 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 645 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 670 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 698 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 726 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 745 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 481 warnings and 3 errors!

The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md