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Posted on 01-18-19 08:49:07 PM Link | Quote
i made this thread for my own posting, but i'm glad that it's taken this direction

i feel like a decent amount of millennial nostalgia really is for the times when things seemed like they'd be getting better, or at least that we had a future to look at.

to put it another way,

boomers are nostalgic for the past they had already experienced
millennials are nostalgic for the days when they had hopes for the future

boomers had the "good ol days" where their lives were easy and free and they had little worry; for the most part millennials have none of that, living in constant states of anxiety about the future. there is no security or hope for most of us, and at any moment we could be thrust into absolute chaos

the dreams we once held about being creative or open or just... able to do what we dreamed of are gone, replaced with a dreary existence, with no hope or future of it ever coming true; we've had to resign our lives to the daily grind just to survive, while watching everyone else suffer in the same way



in that way, i guess my nostalgia in this thread is like i'd said before -- the lost hopes and dreams of all the things i wanted to do, all the things i could have done, all the possibilities that could have been explored, if things didn't go so badly. if the world didn't constantly get worse every day.


in closing here's a calvin and hobbes comic that i saw recently


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Posted on 01-18-19 11:55:36 PM Link | Quote
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things suck, but I'm really glad to have y'all here to make things suck a little less.

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Posted on 07-06-19 01:03:25 AM Link | Quote
Roxie
been thinking about this stuff a lot again lately
mostly because i live by both a baskin robbins and a burger king
so every time i go to the supermarket,
i have to see all these horrid like, nostalgitisements
for stranger things or whatever, old 80s logos and faux wood paneling and shit

its pretty clear that corporations are like...
deeply desperate for late gen-xers/early millennials to end up like boomers
in the sense that theyre trying their damndest to twist our sense of nostalgia
like a knife
to turn it from something we can use to motivate ourselves,
something we can point to to say
"hey, some things were genuinely better back then.
lets do something to progress back to that place"
into something that we use to justify resting on our laurels,
complaining that everything's so bad now,
unlike what we had back then, which was good

like...how do i put this less wordily...
knowing that nostalgia is a powerful motivator,
they want to take a generation that feels rudderless and scared,
and direct us in the direction that makes us most pliant and docile for their purposes,
which are, of course, making money

it's the same motivation as like,
making us feel like there's no hope for anything to change ever
as much as it can feel that way,
if we give up, they get what they want, at the cost of all the rest of us
so they strongly encourage us to be like, doomers or whatever,
to just consider it all a lost cause, instead of fighting for change
its so obvious and yet so insidious at the same time. it's kind of ridiculous

anyway there wasnt really any point to this post except like. dont fall for it
theres still something we can do. nothing is ever a lost cause.

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Posted on 07-22-19 07:17:01 AM (last edited by Halian at 07-08-20 07:10:50 PM) Link | Quote
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I'm recently gripped by a nostalgia for the Internet from when I was a young teenager (mid-late 2000s), before everything turned into megacorporate dumpster fires. :c

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Posted on 07-24-19 08:15:02 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Mistral
its pretty clear that corporations are like...
deeply desperate for late gen-xers/early millennials to end up like boomers


i've been thinking about this post a lot lately. it's good.

i've been thinking about how i'm just slowly watching so many friends of mine end up like this. how so many millennial spaces online are turning into "i hate how things are these days, remember the good old days. now everything's just inherently bad".

i see it turn into a lack of will towards any real change, the acquiescence to this bitter jaded "adult" outlook on the world, about how capitalism is just the way the world works and that's too bad, and anything else is just an idealistic fairy tale, and then they start pissing on other young peoples' enthusiasm and being emotionally vampiric, and blah blah

it's really hard for me to watch

but, maybe this is cruel — it's also hard for me to feel too sorry for these people when their outlook is so willfully toxic and cannibalistic

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Posted on 07-27-19 07:33:14 PM (last edited by hydra-calm at 07-27-19 08:47:02 PM) Link | Quote
Yeah, it's just...

I don't know -- I was never happy back -then- either. I and the friends I had back then lived how we did to escape. I found all the shit people have half-ironic nostalgia for now exhausting. All our old methods of escape are mainstream or drying up because they didn't make someone money now. Even if there's not a lot to trust in it, the future's really all I have. I don't want to stop changing as a person; the idea is terrifying. It feels like the modern reality of "adulthood" and "adult" attitudes is largely a product of trauma and repression, though trying to articulate this long-form would be difficult for me to do well at the moment. I don't want to harden into something like that if I can avoid it, though just surviving seems to make it very easy.

This is a tangent, but one thing in particular that scares me is how attitudes toward the body have changed in friends my age. Some of the ideas that succeeded in pulling me away from Christianity as a kid and encouraging me to find space of my own were attractive partially because they promised a kind of decoupling from the body -- now the idea seems to be simply "repair" or "modification". I don't know where I'm going with this, but I think it's emblematic of what scares me, somehow.
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Posted on 08-01-19 01:14:40 AM Link | Quote
As far as adulthood goes:

I do believe it is more of a self-imposed myth than an actual requirement. You gain more responsibilities as you get older, and then you need to be able to handle those, but plenty of people don't either because they don't care or don't see it as a big deal. As long as you can make sure you can stay alive, that's mostly all that's needed really.

The are many ways to live life. Some people do what most others in society would do, others like to do their own thing. I put a lot more focus towards people closer to me, but others may be a lot more oriented towards the attitudes of their more distant peers. This isn't even just about the person, it also has a lot to do with how their life is currently going. My job requires me to constantly be learning new knowledge, and since the field I'm in is constantly changing and nobody's quite sure yet how to organize it, we need to be constantly adapting otherwise we risk not being of use anymore. There is a certain risk: if you're not quick to think or act, or if you can't handle organizing a mess, it doesn't really end well. It definitely isn't for everyone.

Meanwhile, some jobs require you do follow a specific path and leave no room for change whatsoever. They lean a lot more heavily towards tradition and "whatever has worked in the past". Being in such an environment for too long (specially if you have to deal with incredibly annoying managers/bosses and stuff) can make your brain start to think more restrictively and literally stop considering or even thinking about alternative solutions. I guess that's called "Learned helplessness", you'd be so used to that way of thinking that you wouldn't even try something else until someone shows you that yes, there is an alternative. Though again, this definitely varies from person to person.

It's also got a bit to do with cultures in general. Many western cultures value confidence and assertion a lot, which requires having at least some form of resistance to change and "hardheadedness" if that makes any sense. If you're the type of person to have strong opinions about things, then it's possible that you likely don't want those opinions to change so easily, or at least not without an argument. Meanwhile, a lot of eastern cultures value wisdom, social harmony and careful thinking/planning more (sometimes to an extreme degree), which means you need to be more open to change and more willing to listen rather than just to say whatever comes to mind.

My point is not to argue that anyone or any way of living is superior to anyone else, my point is simply that's there's many ways to live, and if the people who are around you seem to criticize your way of living for no good reason other than "it's different than theirs", then you need to be around different people. If you want to keep an open mind, then do it, there's nothing wrong about that.

As far as attitudes toward the body goes:

I still have a bit of the "Your body is a temple" mentality in me, but that can generate a bit of an internal conflict at times.

On one hand, the possibility of being anything you can imagine is one that the internet presents to us everyday, and it goes much further than just the imagining things by yourself. It's sort of an outlet to our incredibly free minds. Your sense of identity could be tied to a particular image/persona more strongly than your own. Wouldn't it be great to be whatever you wanted to be and not be restrained by the physical world? With things like DNA editing getting more and more research, a future where we could just choose traits we want seems to be getting closer and closer. Even if it's probably too far away for it to matter to any of us, that temptation is still present for many people in today's day an age.

But on the other hand, having these limitations add a sort of charm that is difficult to describe with words. Even with our limited capabilities, even with death approaching us all the same when we get older, we are still able to accomplish great things with our lives. Maybe, because we spend less time thinking about trivial things that in theory can't be changed, we focus on things that actually matter more in the long run. It's great to see what people can do with their lifes, not because they of the way they are, but despite that. It shows us that many aspects or ourselves are really just random and shouldn't matter as far as defining you as a person, specially compared to things you actually had to put effort towards. It makes your accomplishments that much more meaningful.

Would the solution be to let everyone be free to have any appearance they wanted to? Or would the solution be for us not have to worry about such things in the first place and focus on more important matters? I don't really know.

I could elaborate more on some of the points I made on this post but...I think I already wrote too much (how the hell did this become a 7+ paragraph text???).

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As someone who's decidedly Generation Z, I can't really relate to the exact experiences, and any of my own experiences with Web 1.0 were fleeting at best -- I was eight when GeoCities shut down, for instance. But I can say that I can understand them. I read this thread with Beware the Forest's Mushrooms playing in my head and I felt almost like I was there too for that loss, even though I know I really wasn't -- I was barely a month old by the time the big one happened. I feel optimistic that at some point, some of that spirit might return, but I don't know if it'll ever be the same way it was. It'll probably be in a more a more pessimistic form than it was in the late 1990s. There's rumblings of that, but they really amount mainly to fellow Jul users and a few dozen people elsewhere. NeoCities isn't really a great option, because it's just as likely to go down as GeoCities was, or Facebook is, or any other large centralized website. Plus, by requiring TLS 1.3, it flies in the face of the idea of the Internet as a great equalizer that everyone can access.

Someone asked whether media depicting adulthood ca. 2005 and onward as being an awful time all around would have an effect on the younger generation. Well, I'm pretty sure I'm the younger generation being described, so I have to say that I honestly don't know. I'm pretty sure it's had some effect, I'm dreading getting my first job, but I can't really distinguish what effects it's had from what effects being trans has had on me, considering I associate adulthood with the things that cause me dysphoria. I think probably there's a bit more of an aversion to corporate work (as in, working for corporate entities as anything other than a freelancer) than previous generations, probably not helped by said previous generations talking openly about how working for businesses tends to suck. You see a lot more people my age try to go into things like YouTube and Twitch doing art on Twitter or Subscribestar and all these other platforms that offer monetizing yourself or an artistic passion of yours. But then, maybe that's just those websites putting forward the young, cool faces over the older members.

My own personal nostalgia is honestly more like the Baby Boomers' sense of longing for their youth than the Millennial longing for a lost future. I never had that future to begin with, so all I can feel nostalgic over is the stuff I haven't seen in at least a decade. Stuff like snow, the house I lived in when I was 13, old friends I haven't seen since the late 2000s, the like. I guess I also feel a little nostalgic for general concepts like not having to worry about geopolitics or taxes or really much of anything besides school and video games, or in my case videos about Windows 95. I suppose I was more optimistic about the future and what I would be doing when I was that age, too, but it honestly didn't cross my mind a whole lot when I was 7.

I doubt much of this makes sense, let alone really follows the thread. It's 1:20 in the morning.

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i'm always finding it interesting how somewhere down the line there was a transition from popular nostalgia revolving around the 90s to revolving around the 2000s. it's always supplementary to the last nostalgic generation, when a new generation grows up...

i've been mentally preparing myself for the next 10 years when kids will grow up to find fortnite and other popular things from the last 5 years nostalgic. i'm sure it's odd to see iCarly be a big subject of nostalgia for people my age

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Originally posted by rokken
My own personal nostalgia is honestly more like the Baby Boomers' sense of longing for their youth than the Millennial longing for a lost future. I never had that future to begin with, so all I can feel nostalgic over is the stuff I haven't seen in at least a decade. Stuff like snow, the house I lived in when I was 13, old friends I haven't seen since the late 2000s, the like.

that's the whole thing with generational nostalgia. i'll probably always see the 2000s in the same way my grandfather sees the 1950s: with great endearment, blind to all the horrors taking place in the world, because we were children. i didn't know anything about Bush, i just wanted to play Pokémon Emerald!

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line 528 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 528 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 537 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 542 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 522 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 222 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 248 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 307 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 334 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 371 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 401 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 449 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 482 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 513 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 193 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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