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Posted on 09-22-18 11:17:25 AM (last edited by Kawaii-e at 01-30-22 05:41:18 AM) Link | Quote


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As I mentioned in what you've got thread, I bought a new in box Famicom Data Recorder a while ago. And it came with a cassette containing a sample program.

Have fun: Download Me



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Posted on 09-30-18 05:25:50 AM Link | Quote
Are you able to upload the WAV recording of the tape and not the mp3?

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Post #5258 · Tue, 2018 Oct 23, 16:33:03
FLAC would be even better. It's lossless compression.

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Posted on 10-23-18 09:45:13 PM Link | Quote
I wish I had seen this earlier, then I could've tried to get a WAV ...

As it is, with a lot of gnashing of sweat and tears:




Frustratingly close, yet so far away

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Sorry for the delay, finally got arround to it again and reuploded the uncompressed wave file.


FamiliBasic.MP3, it's dot WAV

Good Luck.

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Use Family BASIC v3.0. Here are .vtp files (usable in VirtuaNES and Nestopia, though Nestopia looks for .tp instead):

Here's the VTP I converted from the .wav. I'm not entirely sure it's 100% correct (though obviously it loads without issue), since I cut out the voices and I'm not sure what the "SKIP" messages are for, but with the uncompressed WAV file at least we can try again if needed.

FamilyBASIC-Sample3-fromtape.vtp

Accordingly, once loaded, I re-saved it from within Family BASIC to get a direct, new VTP file:

FamilyBASIC-Sample3-resave.vtp

Notably this one's a lot smaller than the original and seems to mostly resemble the second, final segment. I'm not sure what the first ones are for.


For anyone who wants to try this disaster for themselves:

- Open the original audio in Audacity
- (?) Strip out the voices by highlighting them and deleting them
- Use Analyze -> Plot Spectrum; I'm not sure where the lowest peak should be but 2035hz seems to be where the VTPs VirtuaNES dumps sit
- Effect -> Change Speed, set a multiplier of ~0.975× or so
- File -> Export Audio, use "Other Uncompressed Formats", then hit Options and choose "RAW (No header)" and "8-bit PCM, unsigned"
- Save as whatever

- Open Family BASIC v3.0 in VirtuaNES (or Nestopia?)
- Type "LOAD"
- Edit -> ExtDevice -> Tape -> Play, choose the file you saved
- Wait a while for it to finish and say TAPE STOP. in the emulator and (hopefully) OK in-game
- Type LIST to see the code or RUN to play it

Hopefully with these instructions you, too, can archive and save any weird-ass BASIC programs you find.

I'd like to see if you can play back a VTP by doing the inverse (that is, opening as RAW in Audacity, and playing it back to a real thing) but I still need a Family BASIC keyboard of my own I should probably get on that.

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Posted on 10-24-18 02:19:56 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I'd like to see if you can play back a VTP by doing the inverse (that is, opening as RAW in Audacity, and playing it back to a real thing) but I still need a Family BASIC keyboard of my own I should probably get on that.

I do happen to have a Family BASIC keyboard (but no data recorder), I'll try to remember to give it a try when I get home.

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Posted on 10-24-18 02:45:27 PM Link | Quote
If you can plug your computer's sound into the FB keyboard's load port (It's just a typical 3.5mm port, iirc) you'll be fine. As far as I'm aware the data recorder is just a Nintendo-brand cassette deck and not anything special

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It is just a standard branded type deck, a cheap one too.

Please be aware, the Family Basic Keyboard has mono ports, it may not work with stereo cables.

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Posted on 10-24-18 06:07:32 PM Link | Quote
@Kawaii-e
Unless I misunderstand, don't you have the hardware to use this tape in the "official" way - if so ,couldn't you try it out and see if the program produced matches Xkeeper's results?

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Posted on 10-24-18 11:07:56 PM Link | Quote
Playing back the WAV over to my Family BASIC Keyboard (using a stereo cable since that's all I had on hand, but it worked fine), I can reproduce Xk's results:


(switched monitors because the white sprites on plain black didn't photograph well on my color TV)

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Originally posted by Hiccup
@Kawaii-e
Unless I misunderstand, don't you have the hardware to use this tape in the "official" way - if so ,couldn't you try it out and see if the program produced matches Xkeeper's results?


I did that back when I got everything new.

I got the same results with Family Basic 3. But never understood how to load it in Family Basic 1.

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Posted on 10-25-18 02:07:35 PM Link | Quote
For what it's worth, the correct sequence appears to be:

LOADS:LOAD

That will load the background as well:



This will probably only work on V3, though. Not sure if v2 or v2.1 had the LOADS command.

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Is that Comic Sans I see as xkeeper's window title font?
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line 187 column 2147 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 241 column 4556 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 304 column 503 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 304 column 771 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 304 column 768 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 309 column 2046 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 456 column 503 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 456 column 771 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 456 column 768 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 458 column 1992 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 546 column 503 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 546 column 771 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 546 column 768 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 551 column 2276 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 616 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 619 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 179 column 111 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "height"
line 183 column 707 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 183 column 856 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 183 column 927 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 187 column 1306 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 187 column 1306 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 187 column 1432 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 187 column 1604 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 187 column 1676 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 187 column 1859 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 213 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 239 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 265 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 298 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 300 column 111 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "height"
line 304 column 707 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 304 column 856 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 304 column 927 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 309 column 1205 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 309 column 1205 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 309 column 1331 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 309 column 1503 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 309 column 1575 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 309 column 1758 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 335 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 397 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 424 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 450 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 452 column 111 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "height"
line 456 column 707 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 456 column 856 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 456 column 927 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 458 column 1151 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 458 column 1151 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 458 column 1277 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 458 column 1449 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 458 column 1521 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 458 column 1704 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 484 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 511 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 540 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 542 column 111 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "height"
line 546 column 707 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 546 column 856 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 546 column 939 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 546 column 1002 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 548 column 1 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 551 column 1435 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 551 column 1435 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 551 column 1561 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 551 column 1733 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 551 column 1805 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 551 column 1988 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 577 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 611 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 345 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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