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11-20-18 10:29:14 AM

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What is your opinion on Windows 10 so far?
Exactly what it says. What is your opinion about Windows 10 so far? Do you have it installed? Would you recommend it? Do you think it is better or worse than older Windows versions?
I installed it and it's good.
 
27.1%, 16 votes
I installed it but it isn't worth it.
 
10.2%, 6 votes
I didn't install it, but I would like to someday.
 
5.1%, 3 votes
I don't want to install it.
 
42.4%, 25 votes
I'm not sure I like it or not.
 
6.8%, 4 votes
I don't use Windows.
 
8.5%, 5 votes
Multi-voting is disabled. 59 users have voted.

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Posted on 01-20-18 05:05:14 AM Link | Quote
I'm using Windows 10 on my laptop. I had to download some tool to turn off like a bajillion telemetry things, but I've managed to mostly get it to a... usable state. Probably one of the only potential positives is that it's easier to capture windows in OBS on Windows 10... Windows Aero won't let you capture anything, and if you use Windows Classic that has the inverse problem of forcibly capturing everything, including layered windows. It doesn't really matter to me, though since I don't stream much anymore... there's a couple other neat-ish things too, like quick-access power settings stuff, too, and a built-in f.lux type thing. Although for all I know 7's had the former for a while and I just never noticed cuz I wasn't a laptop user

Anyway, I'm still rocking 7 on my desktop... I kinda miss when Microsoft could make OSes that don't, like, actively spite the end-user and felt... cohesive? Stable? Something like that. Blergh.
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Posted on 01-20-18 09:01:33 AM Link | Quote
Issue is that they're going to drop support for Windows 7 in 2 years, and there might not be anything else to switch to but Windows 10, which is not great.

Linux is an attractive alternative, but I have many many games that aren't compatible with it.
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Posted on 01-20-18 04:21:44 PM Link | Quote
i was forced to upgrade from windows 7 to 10 once i built a new ryzen machine last april (7 has no (easy) usb3 or official ryzen support) and these days it just feels rather natural to use

i jumped through a few hoops to disable cortana and whatever bits of unwanted fluff and tracking i could find while keeping the system happy and updates working and now everything seems pretty seamless personally

the bash subsystem works ok in a pinch when i want to do python and ruby dev (the latter only for maintaining my mastodon instance) without having to deal with a second OS install or the windows version of those languages

i also do a lot of 1080p60 streaming with OBS capturing windows like Rambly said and i can confirm that it works great too

back when 10 was released i didn't want to upgrade either but since i had no choice i think it's not terrible
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Posted on 01-22-18 11:30:28 PM (last edited by Halian at 01-22-18 11:30:37 PM) Link | Quote
It pisses me off to no end that, not only is installing Windows 7 on a Kaby Lake machine with USB 3.0 hella difficult, but that they backport spyware “updates” into 7.

Give me back Windows XP or 2000 already.
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Posted on 01-22-18 11:32:36 PM (last edited by Dorito at 01-22-18 11:34:38 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by maple
i was forced to upgrade from windows 7 to 10 once i built a new ryzen machine last april (7 has no (easy) usb3 or official ryzen support) and these days it just feels rather natural to use

i jumped through a few hoops to disable cortana and whatever bits of unwanted fluff and tracking i could find while keeping the system happy and updates working and now everything seems pretty seamless personally

the bash subsystem works ok in a pinch when i want to do python and ruby dev (the latter only for maintaining my mastodon instance) without having to deal with a second OS install or the windows version of those languages

i also do a lot of 1080p60 streaming with OBS capturing windows like Rambly said and i can confirm that it works great too

back when 10 was released i didn't want to upgrade either but since i had no choice i think it's not terrible

yup, 10's surprisingly prety ok and functional for a normal user. really happy with the snapping features and win + tab and ctrl + tab + left/right

wish it wasn't ass with scaling though

edit: though being able to more or less natively ssh into my server to run a quick thing on a screen session, the steps i had to take to get the linux subsystem working were weirdly hidden away
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Posted on 02-20-18 08:49:01 PM (last edited by Xkeeper at 02-20-18 08:51:08 PM) Link | Quote


fuck this shitty operating system. fuck it forever.


e:

3 days ago:
"ready to update!"
me: let's schedule a time. install updates on the 24th

2 days ago:
me: *gets home* oh hey it... rebooted... and all my stuff is gone.
me: oh, windows updated, and it immediately greets me with another "update available, restart now" dialog. no. fuck you. update in a week

this morning:
"REQUIRED UPDATE!!!! reboot now!!!"
me: no. reboot L A T E R.

now:
"all set for that update we're going to do in the middle of the day! lol!"


i have turned off windows update, disabled the service, deleted a bunch of task scheduler entries, and am about this close to just deleting system files instead
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Posted on 02-20-18 08:57:35 PM (last edited by Lunaria at 02-21-18 09:35:38 AM) Link | Quote
Yeeeeaaaaaah. This is the type of shit that just makes me unable to understand why people can think windows 10 is even close to a decent OS. An OS should help you operate your computer, not operate on it despite what you want.

It's a shame windows decided to go down this route, since there aren't many alternatives. v.v
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Posted on 02-20-18 09:02:16 PM Link | Quote
Regardless of anything else, if you tell your computer "don't restart until x time", it should bloody well not restart until x time.
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Posted on 02-21-18 07:18:27 AM Link | Quote
While I can understand them trying to stop people disabling updates altogether, or delaying critical security updates for months at a time[1], I hate and cannot agree with how they went about it. My Windows 7 install will never pester my about updates, and will just install stuff when I turn it off. You know, that time when I least need my computer and it is free to do whatever it wants. I can't for the life of me figure out a way to make Windows 10 do that. It also seems to have random settings for every user, because I'll complain about update feature X, and friends A, B, and C will be like "oh yeah, it does that to me too", and friends D, E, and F will be like "that has literally never happened to me even once", but the set of friends that have seen it will be different for every thing I complain about. That "Countdown to goodness" patronising piece of crap is a perfect example: I had something very similar a few months ago, and only 1 other person I mentioned it to had seen it, even though most of them have stock settings and have changed nothing.

I have Windows 10 installed in a VM (for the few games I can't play on Linux - it supports some stuff that Windows 7 doesn't that brings it closer to native performance), and I swear it spends half the time it's on installing updates. I'll boot, wait 10 minutes for everyone else who's playing with me to go get drinks, etc., etc., launch Overwatch, get everyone into a party, spend 5 minutes in a queue, finally get into a game, then 2 minutes later, it'll popup telling me I need to update, stealing focus from the game, and probably causing me to die. I can hit escape to stop it from installing the update right there and then, but it still needs me to manually start the install later (because apparently it makes sense to push updates hard, but no longer automatically download them?!). So anyway, I'll finish playing, click the thing to install (because otherwise I'll shut down without installing it, and it'll just try to force-install-and-reboot next time), then wait literally 1 fucking hour for it to download at dialup speeds on our 100Mb/s connection, and another hour for it to install, before it finally shuts down. Except, oh no, that's not even it done. I then have to launch the VM again, so it can continue installing the update on boot (that thing you would normally do when you need to use your computer), and it proceeds to spend half an hour rebooting half a dozen times to finish updating, all while telling me it's "almost done" or some bullshit. There is no way I could deal with this shit on a computer for daily use where I actually need to get things done, nevermind the mounds of other bullshit it does. Fuck this shitty OS.

[1] So many botnets are composed of Windows machines that hadn't been updated for years, because either the manufacturer or the user disabled updates. At that point, it's not about protecting the user from themselves, but protecting the rest of the internet from all the crap sent out by these machines.
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Posted on 02-21-18 07:51:00 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by rakiru
My Windows 7 install will never pester my about updates, and will just install stuff when I turn it off. You know, that time when I least need my computer and it is free to do whatever it wants.

That works well for desktop computers, less so for laptops. Especially when you want to leave quickly to catch your bus or whatever, and it decides to install updates when you turn it off, forcing you to sit and wait.

Ideally it should ask you whether it's okay to install updates before shutting down or whether you're in a hurry or whatever.
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Posted on 02-21-18 08:03:18 AM Link | Quote
Yeah, that's a fair point, but you can definitely do that in W7 by clicking the arrow next to shutdown and selecting a different option (iirc, I don't have any pending updates atm). If it straight up asked you, I imagine too many people would just always click "install later" and you'd be back to forced random updates. Although only pushing that on people who haven't updated for a few days would still make the regular case so much better, at least for non-critical updates.

Alternatively, they could get good and make the updates not take 2 goddamn hours. I can do a `pacman -Syu` once a week and it takes like 2 minutes.
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Posted on 02-21-18 09:11:54 AM Link | Quote
A computer at work running Windows 10 decided to randomly install an update out of the blue, no prompt, no nothing. That said, things move so slowly there that having one computer updating didn't really make much of a difference. The internet was fast enough that it didn't really take much time to download, it was mostly preparing to download the files and then installing. If that happened in the financial department however, oh boy it would've caused some problems.
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Posted on 10-10-18 06:01:02 PM Link | Quote
I was waiting until the day that forced updates would screw something up major, like something that could do permanent damage. Well that day was today. Actually it was last week, it's just that I'm late to the news.

Some time ago Microsoft screwed up a feature that could redirect/move files to the cloud on Windows 10, making it create a few empty folders for no reason. In Update 1809 (the October Update) they wanted to fix that feature by deleting those folders...except they screwed it up again and instead deleted a bit more than they should.

And by "a bit more" I mean "most to all your documents".
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Posted on 10-10-18 08:53:57 PM Link | Quote
I have nothing to say.
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Posted on 10-11-18 02:28:06 AM Link | Quote
Revolutionary of Microsoft to help its users free up disk space automatically by *checks notes* deleting all of their important files
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Posted on 10-19-18 02:15:21 AM Link | Quote
It probably uploads them to cloud for NSA inspection first, lol.

I hate the forced updates, I hate the forced pushing and forced UWP garbage in Windows Store that seems to only be Indian scams, I hate the UI (it's the wrong way to do flat design - flat doesn't mean "one colour everywhere", and I could say so much more about this trainwreck of inconsistencies and civil warfare.
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Posted on 10-19-18 08:32:18 AM Link | Quote
They would attempt to patch it a few days later before removing said patch. Patch ended up causing a lot of machines, mostly HP, to blue screen with a WDF_VIOLATION.

I should know, I was fixing them.

I still have no clue when they're going to properly release 1809. It's probably going to be as delayed or more than 1803.
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Posted on 10-19-18 09:26:43 AM Link | Quote
HP... are they even in existence anymore? I only associate them with computers from the early 2k, lol, not really seen any HP mention since like 2013 (when they closed Compaq)
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Posted on 10-20-18 01:03:55 PM Link | Quote
Yea, they're definitely still alive and kicking. I work on plenty of them under warranty for school districts all the time.
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Posted on 10-20-18 01:06:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ひりゅう
Yea, they're definitely still alive and kicking. I work on plenty of them under warranty for school districts all the time.

School districts tend to use older machines though right? The college I go to uses Vista era Core 2 Duos in their computer room and Lenovo for their laptops.
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