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Should we have a max width for the forums?
That is, if your browser is wide enough, it only displays in the center
Yes
 
40.9%, 9 votes
No
 
22.7%, 5 votes
Don't care
 
36.4%, 8 votes
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Posted on 09-04-18 06:49:28 PM (last edited by Xkeeper at 09-04-18 06:54:00 PM) Link | Quote
Basically, to make readability better. In this example, I think the max width is 1500px or so -- under that it would be full-width, just like always.



It's not a huge change.


(※ You might also notice the faded-out page counts, which go fully visible on hover. I find it makes things a little less distracting, but that's just some user CSS. If you're interested in that, too, though, let me know.)


I'm not actually sure yet what happens if a post is too wide for this, so I guess that's something else to test

(Also more user CSS shenanigans)

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Posted on 09-04-18 07:26:46 PM (last edited by Nin★Collin at 09-04-18 07:27:33 PM) Link | Quote
This is a big pet peeve for me; I don't really like when forums do this. To me it just looks..odd and out of place.

If you go through with it I think it should be opt-in with a profile setting.
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Posted on 09-04-18 08:07:29 PM Link | Quote
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1440 is a nice cap that I use via custom css, anything over and we get this shitty lack of word wrap sometimes when postboxes >1024 without sidebar.

I'm yay for adding a limiter!

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Posted on 09-04-18 08:23:42 PM Link | Quote
Julbench3.1  94% full, 55K free, 824K in use
I honestly don't care too much about the width, tho I guess I'd lean towards limiting the max width slightly, but I do like the faded-out page counts, I guess?


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Posted on 09-04-18 08:36:05 PM Link | Quote
Maybe I can add a few config options to choose how to display the forums; maybe something like max page width, font size (in %), and a field for your own custom CSS to be added?

As for the fades:

span.pagelinks {

    opacity: .1;

    transition: all .3s  ease-in;

}


td:hover > span.pagelinks, td:focus-within > span.pagelinks {

    opacity: 1;

    transition: all 0.1s ease-in;

}


This will make them fade in when you're hovering over the row containing them

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Posted on 09-04-18 08:40:17 PM Link | Quote
Julbench3.1  94% full, 55K free, 824K in use
Ooh, neat! Thanks!




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Posted on 09-04-18 08:41:38 PM (last edited by Kak at 09-04-18 08:43:56 PM) Link | Quote
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The max width for the body is one of the changes I'm pretty indifferent for (partly thanks to the 1366x768 screen res I have, but I didn't really care much even when I had the Win10 laptop with a larger screen resolution)

The downside would be of tables getting too big which, well...

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Posted on 09-04-18 08:49:37 PM Link | Quote
i'd be down. i use a 1440p monitor with a maximized browser window so jul can be pretty jarring at times

the fadeout's nice too!

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Posted on 09-04-18 09:02:49 PM (last edited by SC at 09-04-18 09:04:22 PM) Link | Quote
I'm 100% on board with this. I almost always have my browser window maximized, and it always bugs me when older webpages just stretch to sizes they were never really meant to stretch to.



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Posted on 09-04-18 09:18:49 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Nin★Collin
This is a big pet peeve for me; I don't really like when forums do this. To me it just looks..odd and out of place.

If you go through with it I think it should be opt-in with a profile setting.

Making it an option would be ideal.

I actually do have a bit of an issue with how much it stretches, since I run my browser in full screen sized window.
I would rather if the page sort of adapted a few elements to not be full width:


Granted, this might just be due to my dyslexia, but I have a hard time lining up post counts and most recent post with their respective forum, since they are on opposite sides of the screen.

Making the central thing more in line with the width that the top banner and stuff takes up would be super neat IMO. I don't mind full width in threads, because users have post layouts that I guess fill up the space, sort of?
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Posted on 09-04-18 09:21:44 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kak
The max width for the body is one of the changes I'm pretty indifferent for (partly thanks to the 1366x768 screen res I have, but I didn't really care much even when I had the Win10 laptop with a larger screen resolution)

The downside would be of tables getting too big which, well...





Of course, this is a little hacky even for me — I had to manually set the width to a pixel value, which wouldn't work, but "100%" and other things weren't working either. Ideally, this would also work for the thread history view in replies.

Originally posted by Lunaria
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I don't know if making it per-element would be good, except maybe allowing the header to be fullwidth (because it's the header and already centered). Otherwise it just feels weird having a mix.

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Posted on 09-04-18 09:42:35 PM (last edited by Kak at 09-04-18 09:43:04 PM) Link | Quote
Post #1797
...and now, after looking at the solution, there's part of me wondering about if it's even worth it having multiple scrollbars on the page.

I'm not sure anymore.

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Posted on 09-04-18 09:48:07 PM Link | Quote
The problem isn't as pronounced now that everybody's post is in its own table (though maybe this should be fixed to be other semantic tags instead, who knows; rip old browsers), but in ye olden days it would cause the entire page to stretch. You can still see this on the thread review on newreply, where every post is stretched out unreadably long.

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why don't you just have an editprofile.php field for this

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Posted on 09-04-18 11:22:13 PM Link | Quote
The width of posts does seem much when compared to other sites I'm used to. The visual change would take some getting used to, but it would probably be worth it for the sake of improved readability.

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Originally posted by sofi
why don't you just have an editprofile.php field for this

It's not worth the effort to add an editprofile field if nobody wants to use it

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Posted on 09-05-18 08:51:55 AM Link | Quote
I think this is a reasonable change. I browse with layouts off and some posts like to stretch off into the sunset due to the page width.
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Posted on 09-05-18 02:36:02 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Originally posted by sofi
why don't you just have an editprofile.php field for this

It's not worth the effort to add an editprofile field if nobody wants to use it

i'd use it

i'm not nobody

i exist

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Posted on 09-05-18 04:38:40 PM Link | Quote
I'll start looking into this soon ... I might move to using a json text blob for user config like this (as opposed to a separate column in `users` for every single thing). Columns are nice, but the overhead in parsing one small block of that, plus the ease of not having to update the entire database when I want to add a field, seems like a nice idea.

(Though there's some stuff like schemes and whatnot that are nice to have in columns, since you can count them up and see who's using them )

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line 207 column 1781 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 244 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 272 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 272 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 272 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 272 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 338 column 1560 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 338 column 1560 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 345 column 15 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 345 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 345 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 345 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 345 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 345 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 345 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 345 column 273 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 345 column 316 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 345 column 316 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 345 column 359 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 345 column 359 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 345 column 402 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 345 column 402 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 364 column 220 - Warning: <span> anchor "xdan-wbwindowtitle" already defined
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line 366 column 356 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 525 column 1720 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 669 column 901 - Warning: <div> anchor "xklayout" already defined
line 670 column 1213 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 670 column 1213 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 677 column 16 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 677 column 16 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 677 column 59 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 677 column 59 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 677 column 102 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 677 column 102 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 677 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 771 column 1447 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 806 column 901 - Warning: <div> anchor "xklayout" already defined
line 808 column 1490 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 808 column 1490 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 817 column 43 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 817 column 140 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 817 column 244 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 826 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 831 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 456 column 976 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 638 column 363 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 811 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 195 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 233 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 261 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 289 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 321 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 362 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 396 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 424 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 426 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 452 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 481 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 518 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 554 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 582 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 608 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 636 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 640 column 808 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 667 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 694 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 742 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 768 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 804 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 428 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md