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Posted on 06-04-16 07:00:12 PM Link | Quote
This almost makes me wanna install 98 or 2000 in a VM just for shits and giggles. It's been so long, I associate "old Windows" with XP now, hah.

I totally remember having TinaSitter on my laptop for while, though.

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Posted on 06-04-16 08:16:33 PM Link | Quote
I remember having a Windows ME installation alongside Windows XP quite a few years ago. Somehow it worked quite well? I had to change the BIOS to boot the secondary hard drive however, whenever I wanted to use it (and change back afterwards to normal). Then afterwards I had to remove the 10GB extra HDD from the computer (wow, was that so long ago? I don't remember the year exactly, but it must've been 2011 or something) and lost Windows ME because of it. I think that was the last time I ever used Windows 9x.

Virtual machines sound like fun, maybe I'll mess with something later.

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Posted on 06-05-16 06:37:24 PM (last edited by Nin★Collin at 06-30-17 04:51:36 PM) Link | Quote
imo using a virtual machine takes the fun out of installing it, and getting it to work. It feels more satisfying getting OSes to work on actual hardware. Just how I feel anyway

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Posted on 06-06-16 08:39:14 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Nin★Collin
imo using a virtual machine takes the fun out of installing it, and getting it to work. It feels more satisfying getting OSes to work on actual hardware. Just how I feel anyway

Sure, when you have the resources to spend on extra hardware, but have fun installing an ancient OS into a completely incompatible machine. Yes, that happens sometimes since some hardware pieces don't have drivers compatible with those systems anymore.

Example: I had to switch internet cards once I switched my Win7 install from a 32-bit to a 64-bit one, simply because there never was a 64-bit driver for that card.

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Posted on 07-07-16 03:34:29 AM Link | Quote
Well, Hello. God I have fond memories of '98... Hellbender man. Anyone remember that game?
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Posted on 07-07-16 08:18:46 AM Link | Quote
Man, I wish I had an image of my Vectra's hard drive from back in the day now…

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Posted on 07-12-16 04:34:01 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Needless to say most HTTPS sites don't work any more.

Contrast to Windows 95 (probably first release only), where most of the internet won't work any more, assuming that you're using Internet Explorer (which claims to be version 4 but is actually IE1). HTTP/1.0 is dead, long live HTTP/1.1, although even that is old, now...

The world keeps moving too quickly... *sigh*
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Posted on 07-12-16 09:53:41 PM Link | Quote
the web is growing exploding so fast that even a 5 year old machine can struggle with today's modern Hipsterscript-powered websites

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Posted on 07-18-16 11:10:22 PM (last edited by Nin★Collin at 06-30-17 04:51:43 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Octangula
The world keeps moving too quickly... *sigh*


I couldn't agree with this more. And I'm trapped in the past.

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Posted on 07-19-16 06:25:26 PM (last edited by xkitten at 07-19-16 06:25:48 PM) Link | Quote
The problem is, the world is moving in the wrong direction.

Everything must be "modern" nowadays. Forget quality, looks are better than functions!!!

Stuff also breaks faster, and becomes useless faster.

Originally posted by StapleButter
the web is growing exploding so fast that even a 5 year old machine can struggle with today's modern Hipsterscript-powered websites


yep, it's a waste of money to have to get a new computer so often because derpo websites decide bloat like vBulletin is the way to go, simply because it's modern!!

and smart devices. those are cringy, especially stuff like smart swinsuits and smart cars

they aren't actually that "smart" in truth

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Posted on 07-19-16 09:45:09 PM Link | Quote
those companies aren't doing much real progress because it's easier to take a random object, slap a Bluetooth chip on it, call it smart and sell it at 10x the normal price. Then the marketing people will find good reasons to make that object smart and the idiots will flock to the stores to buy it.

not to mention the data the company can collect, who says they aren't reselling these data to another company for extra bucks?

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Posted on 08-01-16 05:36:39 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, back when nontrivial JS had to be coded differently for each browser. And maybe it should have stayed that way, actually.

I still have JS manuals that date back from that era.

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Posted on 08-10-16 01:20:15 AM Link | Quote
When I get a new computer I'm planning on putting windows xp and a version of linux on my old one.

Originally posted by StapleButter
the web is growing exploding so fast that even a 5 year old machine can struggle with today's modern Hipsterscript-powered websites

I hate web 2.0.

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Posted on 08-10-16 10:35:29 AM Link | Quote
oh my god, Yushe is alive

what have you been doing

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Posted on 10-09-16 05:18:02 AM Link | Quote






















Technically Windows XP — the Superbrick 1800, a laptop I used from about 2006 to 2011 — but still. There's an ancient program that it has that's been carried over from PC to PC for years called "IRCMaker"; normally used for making big IRC art, in this case it can also generate images based on Acmlm's Board ranks.

...literally, as in it actually generates them as <img src=http://acmlm.overclocked.org/board/images/bobomb.gif> ...


This one is a Goomba. It's not really that visible, but if you squint you can probaly tell.

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Posted on 10-09-16 12:29:44 PM Link | Quote
I recognized the Goomba quickly

Wasn't there a version that used smilies? Although the animated rank images give it a 'lively' feel.

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Posted on 10-09-16 05:30:10 PM Link | Quote
I don't think there was.

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Posted on 10-10-16 02:41:26 PM Link | Quote









I still have that thing saved on my server and the URL memorized for some reason. Good old Visual Basic novelty programs.

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Posted on 10-10-16 03:20:15 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by devin









I still have that thing saved on my server and the URL memorized for some reason. Good old Visual Basic novelty programs.


ahah

LOLDERP SNIFITS -.-

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Posted on 10-10-16 11:11:49 PM Link | Quote

WIP



My first computer was Windows 2000

Also, I can say from a programming perspective that "modern" web design sucks...
It's actually not nearly as standardized as claimed to be.
If anyone of you has tried programming "HTML5" from scratch, aside from maybe a tutorial or two, you'd be fully aware of what I mean...
Regardless of the FACT we known tech is going backwards, it will likely continue to do so.
Despite dabbling in some of this stuff, I am trying to program in more efficient or practical ways, not that JS makes this super possible.

I also agree with the "smart" device thing being quite dumb... and the description of just slapping a bluetooth or something on a whatever and calling it "smart" sounds quite accurate.
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Back on the main subject, I've heard Windows 2000 was so terrible. Honestly, whatever was wrong with it, I never noticed, myself. Ofc, it wasn't until getting my Windows XP computer that I got more seriously involved with technical crap. My most modern computer is Windows Vista, and ironically, it hasn't pissed me off much aside from it has a problem with bluescreens happening for a completely unknown reason. Maybe it's already been jailbroken of the CRAP that makes Vista suck, idk...

I used to love making mspant things on Windows 2000. I have seen some of the amazing stuff that can be produced with said program, but I'm not nearly as talented. Today, I use Paint Dot Net, because I am so used to Paint. It can compete with PS and GIMP to some degree if one knows how to use it. I always have been used to using "mediocre" or "out of date" tools/techniques, and it doesn't bother me TOO much. I used to play primarily educational games on my old computer (most/all of which I still have), and would gladly play them again. Now being interested and somewhat capable of ripping, I plan to grab some of their assets/data, too. I may try to port a few into the modern age 'cuz I love them so much, even to this day.

It could be argued I'm also behind the times. Truthfully, the future where computers could talk to us and make our own decisions, etc... used to sound very appealing to me. These days, I'm glad I broke free of that foolish notion, hearing of, and occasionally witnessing firsthand how bad this idea actually is, or how early in development and thus fatally flawed it currently is. I definitely am extremely wary of cloud computing, also... It's extremely dangerous (and also unstable) at the level which it's grown today.

I've heard it said that people just look upon the old days as better because we forget everything that went wrong. While this may partially be true, I firmly believe at least a few things about the older days of technology were ACTUALLY better, not just perceived as such. Filesizes were smaller, programs could run faster (well... about 20 or so years ago, cuz WAAAY back, they were extremely slow to compile/assemble/load) , everything wasn't dependent on some web server that could overload or get hacked at a moment's notice. Also, given what risks there were to screw-up, and how little disk space memory and CPU power was available, programmers had to be VERY careful HOW they coded. These days, you throw something together in Unity, Flash (probably not for much longer), or Game Maker, with little to no concern about the disk space or system resources. Operating Systems are also becoming so much more restrictive, and probably also are illegally releasing your data to whomever is listening in the name of either "national security" or "product/advertisement research". Backward compatibility is also slowly dying, and certain storage mediums are being phased-out. (which will result in massive data loss some day because of all the floppies, CD's, DVD's, whatever that have yet to be dumped) We're also currently losing some of the wonderful breakthroughs that were made to streamline or enhance programming, especially graphics-related things. I will not fully embrace ANY of these modern super-experimental "gext-gen"/"modern"/"advanced"/"smart" steaming piles of CRAP until they improve SIGNIFICANTLY. I only chose programming HTML5 because flash is finally on the way out. I hate basically everything about it.

//sorry bout the little borderline off-topic rant here...

I also have a Windows 98 computer I got at a yard sale, but I never really used it much. If I could do one truly stunning programming project, I would make a "next-gen" game capable of running on such an old machine. I firmly believe it is do-able, it just requires doing things the old fashioned way. Ofc, I'd expect to have to learn C or Assembly to manage this. I wouldn't do this to make money, but rather to make a statement you do NOT need a powerful GPU (if even one at all), a multi-core CPU, 16+ gigs of RAM, and 1TB of disk space to run an amazing game. Making money would be a nice bonus, but I just want to show that a good game doesn't need a super-computer to run, it needs a programmer who knows how to get the most from their hardware. For example, Rare. Just imagine, Windows XP running COD! (just using as an example, couldn't care less about the majority of FPS games) //gha...sry!

Who has played Total Annihilation? That's an older game, also, meant for Windows 95, iirc. A significant portion of its modding tools are actually pretty old, and haven't been updated in ages. A few even were created by the game's developers and are still circulating to this day! Due to the strengths of modern computers (up to Win 7, anyways), TA can do a hell of a lot more than it originally could handle: more units, better animations, etc... It has been known to crash after several hours of consecutive gameplay, though... lol. I actually only learned about and acquired (both through a former friend) a few years ago. It is just amazing, however. It's aged quite well, and it's awesome to still have a strong modding community for it. If anyone wants to try running it on a VM (or a 'legit' install) , I have a copy that I created for backup. I could PM the link (since I don't think I can share it publicly, nor do I desire to) If I knew how, I'd provide screenshots of some of my battles, but I never quite figured that out. It's pretty freaking amazing, though.

I think I've said enough
(the other reason I lurk is my uncontrollable desire/need/habit to post text-walls, hope no one is bothered by this, but I've had NUMEROUS problems with this in the past because the internet is apparently not an appropriate place to write essays to discuss/explain anything... >.>)

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