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Posted on 04-01-14 01:22:27 AM (last edited by Fuzn at 04-01-14 01:24:31 AM) Link | Quote
If I may speculate some, I think that the issues with the doors in the X4 may be related to shared assets being changed around significantly.

That is, the game loads a series of sprite data for levels into certain areas of RAM and VRAM. Although the doors may be loaded in their proper place, X4 probably has a different master object list for levels. (such as the Rockman 7 and Rockman & Forte object viewer modes have suggested).

The X4 levels probably hadn't had their object lists updated, leading to the game reading data from locations that aren't graphics data, struggling to interpret it, and either acting wildly or crashing, or as has been described, using random sprites from other things haphazardly because the original object data has been shifted around.



I'm more curious about the X5 beta's subweapons, though. A while back, for an unrelated project, I was given someone else's extensive research into Zero, and it included animation rips from X5, including what I think may be a beta F-Splasher graphic. Seems to match the atrocious art style on some enemies from this beta. Though I'm personally hoping we find an animation viewer hidden away in this beta, probably tucked away in all that odd garbage data that's at the very start of the ROCK_X5.bin file.

EDIT: Fixed up what sounded stupid.
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Posted on 04-01-14 02:17:31 AM Link | Quote
i'm sure there's gotta be some sort of technique there for Zero in the proto.
btw,has anyone got the timer to 00 to see what happens?
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Posted on 04-01-14 11:39:12 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by futuretime23
btw,has anyone got the timer to 00 to see what happens?


By timer to 00,u mean stage completion time?

Also,i hacked the boss level modifier for x6 original,and i think it worked,as when beaten nightmare zero it unlocked black zero,also,i think his behavior changed somewhat,like,using that huge ass slashes,anyway,i still have to hack x5's proto level modifier.
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Posted on 04-01-14 12:00:54 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by EternalSoft
Originally posted by futuretime23
btw,has anyone got the timer to 00 to see what happens?


By timer to 00,u mean stage completion time?

Also,i hacked the boss level modifier for x6 original,and i think it worked,as when beaten nightmare zero it unlocked black zero,also,i think his behavior changed somewhat,like,using that huge ass slashes,anyway,i still have to hack x5's proto level modifier.

how much time is left before the eurasia collides with the earth,that's what i meant.
btw,if nightmare zero's pattern at lv 04 is like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLay2tac_BA
then it means they "fixed" it by accident and closed it off.
the tcrf page for the x6 proto needs some heavy updating with the new info. I now know for sure,bad sectors aren't the cause behind gate's lab 1 crashing,it could be something internal with the build.(could be missing data,as there seems to be some data,but not all,gate's lab 1 could have been in the middle of a reform by the time the proto got made,the final stages are the most incomplete part of the proto) I'll get to it and record the X5 videos(yeah,i haven't recorded them yet,i know,i'm sorry,i got lazy)
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Posted on 04-01-14 12:59:11 PM (last edited by EternalSoft at 04-01-14 01:16:08 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by futuretime23
Originally posted by EternalSoft
Originally posted by futuretime23
btw,has anyone got the timer to 00 to see what happens?


By timer to 00,u mean stage completion time?

Also,i hacked the boss level modifier for x6 original,and i think it worked,as when beaten nightmare zero it unlocked black zero,also,i think his behavior changed somewhat,like,using that huge ass slashes,anyway,i still have to hack x5's proto level modifier.

how much time is left before the eurasia collides with the earth,that's what i meant.
btw,if nightmare zero's pattern at lv 04 is like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLay2tac_BA
then it means they "fixed" it by accident and closed it off.
the tcrf page for the x6 proto needs some heavy updating with the new info. I now know for sure,bad sectors aren't the cause behind gate's lab 1 crashing,it could be something internal with the build.(could be missing data,as there seems to be some data,but not all,gate's lab 1 could have been in the middle of a reform by the time the proto got made,the final stages are the most incomplete part of the proto) I'll get to it and record the X5 videos(yeah,i haven't recorded them yet,i know,i'm sorry,i got lazy)


Ah,ok,ill look into that,also,boss level modifiers:
x5 proto
00B1F3C0 (BYTE)
x6 proto
00B277F7 (BYTE)
Rockman x6 (Jap) (just incase you wanna look on the original)
00B25FBF (BYTE)

EDIT:and yes,nightmare zero on x6 seems to have that behavior on the video at lv4
EDIT2:i changed the hours to 1 and then 0 and nothing happened after i completed a stage...
hours modifier:
00B1F3AE (BYTE)
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Posted on 04-04-14 09:30:30 PM (last edited by futuretime23 at 05-01-14 06:31:30 PM) Link | Quote
Hey guys,i'm getting the footage for the new X5 discoveries right now,i'll see if i can get a vid or two today.
EDIT: the X4 boss rooms are there,EternalSoft,in fact,there's a checkpoint for every single capsule(boss room and when you return to the hub) and even a checkpoint for the meet sigma segment(identical to X4,but there's no sigma,and when you enter the door,you die,but there's nothing there except a huge void of blackness,so it's the same thing). I was able to discover some other leftover rooms from the 2nd final level,but,the way they are here,they are quite buggy(screens don't scroll when they are supposed to).
As for weapons,i covered them up,black zero and the unused event behavior,i just need to record the remainder of the stages and their secrets and edit them,then upload them to youtube.
EDIT: excuse the incredible delay,but life got in the way: Rockman X5/Megaman X5 Prototype Unused event behavior, X's weapons and Black Zero
this encompasses the event behavior,x's weapons and black zero. Great work EternalSoft!
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Posted on 05-01-14 06:30:22 PM Link | Quote
I'm leaving this as a separate post so it doesn't get confusing with the edits.
This here is the playlist that has all my videos on the hidden content of this proto: Rockman X5/Megaman X5 Prototype (Hidden Content)
This is the 2nd part of the locked/unused stages:
Rockman X5/Megaman X5 Prototype: Unused/Locked Stages (Part 2)
And this is the remaining oddities:Rockman X5/Megaman X5 Prototype: Remaining Oddities
I'll upload the full OST in the order the disc lists the OST on youtube,but for now,unless something new pops up,i'm done recording vids for this proto. I'm still waiting for that page to pop up,any news? I'll make my own if nothing comes up.
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Posted on 05-03-14 05:05:19 PM (last edited by EternalSoft at 05-03-14 09:45:08 PM) Link | Quote
cool,i wish i could've found more about this proto tough,but anyway,thanks for makin' the videos!
Edit:i didn't knew you could get tru that point on dynamo's stage,lol
EDIT2: i tried to hack more and... bang!
Camera X : 00AEC528 (Float)
Camera Y : 00AEC52C (Float)
Now we can try to explore more things!
Also,try to change the freeze interval on cheat engine to 10,so when you freeze the camera it really freezes on position instead of going back to the player!
EDIT3:Also,note that it is pretty laggy,it doesnt seems to want to change the position if you change the value on cheat engine,it seems to work normally just when you freeze the value >.<
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Posted on 05-04-14 11:53:35 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by EternalSoft
cool,i wish i could've found more about this proto tough,but anyway,thanks for makin' the videos!
Edit:i didn't knew you could get tru that point on dynamo's stage,lol
EDIT2: i tried to hack more and... bang!
Camera X : 00AEC528 (Float)
Camera Y : 00AEC52C (Float)
Now we can try to explore more things!
Also,try to change the freeze interval on cheat engine to 10,so when you freeze the camera it really freezes on position instead of going back to the player!
EDIT3:Also,note that it is pretty laggy,it doesnt seems to want to change the position if you change the value on cheat engine,it seems to work normally just when you freeze the value >.<

just when i thought i was out,they pull me back in.(insert blatant GFIII reference here) great find mate! i'll see if i can do something with it.
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Posted on 05-09-15 02:06:46 PM (last edited by Aceearly1993 at 08-02-18 05:30:33 AM) Link | Quote
I've used the epsxe 1.9.25 emulator and try to access the locked stages via codes listed in the thread, but I can't match the stage list, instead being transported in the training stage, the training stage is there, uses final's zero virus stage part 1 music, sprites for ladders are a little buggy, magma dragoon has his original voice samples and when you beat him you turn back to title screen like final did

EDIT:The code in question is 300C796C 0016 (Gameshark code), on the epsxe 1.9.25 emulator. The magma dragoon has all the move patterns similar to final X5, and his boss music is missing.

EDIT2:Video there! https://youtu.be/zuxJHzS9X_0
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Posted on 05-18-15 11:09:40 AM Link | Quote
cool,i dont remember having unlocked the training stage,if you could share the values to access it ,it would be appreciated.

btw,since u revived this topic,i hacked some more codes some weeks ago,like zero's weapons,but they are all the same from x4,also found a way to pause the game but its the same as x4 too but with different weapon descriptions.
here they are:

All Weapons (both X and Zero)
00AEC491 (freeze the value to 255 or FF to unlock the weapons)

Pause (if set to 1 it will restart from last checkpoint,if set to 2 it will pause the game)
00B1F301



Btw,kinda unrelated but i managed to find the pause screen on the x4 beta,and the menu is kinda glitched and u cant move the cursor and some of the weapons descriptions are misplaced, but its there already, anyways, here's the code if anyone is interested:

Pause (if set to 1 it will restart from last checkpoint,if set to 2 it will pause the game)
00B92199
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Posted on 07-30-18 02:08:04 AM (last edited by Aceearly1993 at 07-30-18 02:08:57 AM) Link | Quote
Documented inaccessible stages on TCRF article a long time ago, next is trying to document weapons if I have that luck to get info and combine my vision to old posts...
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Posted on 09-25-18 04:59:31 AM (last edited by Aceearly1993 at 09-25-18 09:42:35 AM) Link | Quote
Well, I messed up the Eurasia timer again and It once again gave me amazing results.
There're graphics of early parts equipment screen alongside Enigma/Shuttle screen text, X's body is wire-framed and far different from final - I hate if i could learn some PS1 graphic extraction...


And yes, the Falcon armor is actually named X.Wing in the placeholder just like what the official sourcebooks provided
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Posted on 09-30-18 07:03:06 PM (last edited by Foxhack at 09-30-18 07:03:51 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Aceearly1993
Well, I messed up the Eurasia timer again and It once again gave me amazing results.
There're graphics of early parts equipment screen alongside Enigma/Shuttle screen text, X's body is wire-framed and far different from final - I hate if i could learn some PS1 graphic extraction...


And yes, the Falcon armor is actually named X.Wing in the placeholder just like what the official sourcebooks provided

What emulator are you using? You might be able to extract graphics from savestates (sorry, had my platforms confused.)

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Posted on 10-01-18 12:31:23 AM (last edited by Aceearly1993 at 10-01-18 12:35:46 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Foxhack
Originally posted by Aceearly1993
Well, I messed up the Eurasia timer again and It once again gave me amazing results.
There're graphics of early parts equipment screen alongside Enigma/Shuttle screen text, X's body is wire-framed and far different from final - I hate if i could learn some PS1 graphic extraction...


And yes, the Falcon armor is actually named X.Wing in the placeholder just like what the official sourcebooks provided

What emulator are you using? You might be able to extract graphics from savestates (sorry, had my platforms confused.)


I was just randomly playing the game on my PSP, and decided to underflow the timer once again. Will try to access different emulators on the PC if I have time.
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line 597 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 607 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 627 column 161 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 638 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 647 column 520 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 661 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 661 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 661 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 670 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 675 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 655 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 213 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 240 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 304 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 582 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 612 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 643 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 225 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md