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Posted on 01-30-14 03:19:52 PM (last edited by Kak64 at 01-30-14 03:20:09 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by ||3
Originally posted by Kak64
Originally posted by ||3
Howard Philips was the greatest man any collector could ask for and he helped out with documenting Nintendo's history by so much.
But that doesn't mean their prototypes are worth, especially for insane amounts of money.

Did I ever say that? This prototype shouldn't even really break $1000, let alone over $10000.
Whoops. Misread your post.

Here's another post to add to my fail posts list.

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Posted on 01-30-14 04:12:40 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kak64
Originally posted by ||3
Originally posted by Kak64
Originally posted by ||3
Howard Philips was the greatest man any collector could ask for and he helped out with documenting Nintendo's history by so much.
But that doesn't mean their prototypes are worth, especially for insane amounts of money.

Did I ever say that? This prototype shouldn't even really break $1000, let alone over $10000.
Whoops. Misread your post.

Here's another post to add to my fail posts list.

This just shows the quality of the work provided by tcrf.
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Posted on 01-30-14 04:56:37 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ||3
This just shows the quality of the work provided by tcrf.
To be precise, I'm actually not part of Tcrf. I just post here stuff I find.

I happen to make mistakes at some times, but basing the site on my posts of all users here is probably not the best comparision.

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Posted on 01-31-14 10:12:03 PM (last edited by GHANMI at 01-31-14 10:17:12 PM) Link | Quote
A Castlevania Bloodlines proto for sale:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/251437847571

Came in contact with the owner from a topic under RHDN.
He won't release a rom dump. He's putting it for sale though, and leaving this up to the next owner.
The rom is dated 07-10-1993, Beta 0.5, internal header CASTLEVANIA CHRONICLES 09, region free, an earlier build of the US version (only the title, no bg or blood pouring, 1993 copyright) with unique stuff

*No hard mode
*Bugs and unimplemented collision for some platforms prevents completion (player drowns in 2-7)
*Konami Code has a level select, only up to Stage 5-7, and a test Dracula battle (the dracula battle does not drop orbs though, and 5-7 leads to 1-1, making the ending inaccessible), are implemented.
*Mostly different Stage 4
*Three tracks (NES remixes) very different from the more elaborate final version; only 27
*Heavy BG and enemy placement differences in many stages
*Different sprites for lots of enemies, bosses, some items (no cross though), and Eric sprites (he becomes a partially decomposed pile of bones when he's dead), different palette (the green wheel in 1-7 is red originally)
*No "standing in front of the gate" intro
*No red text
*No fade to black before Game Over appears











Thing is, I don't know what he meant by "repro" in the title.
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Posted on 01-31-14 10:46:38 PM Link | Quote
"Repro" is short for reproduction. In other words, the ROM may be authentic, but the cartridge definitely isn't.

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Posted on 02-02-14 09:30:54 PM Link | Quote
Here's an Assembler thread where the guy's asking $1500 to release the ROM.
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Posted on 02-03-14 12:55:48 PM Link | Quote
Interesting. Seems like it's already turned into a sort of community effort to release it. Anybody feel like chipping in?

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Posted on 02-04-14 04:43:02 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Interesting. Seems like it's already turned into a sort of community effort to release it. Anybody feel like chipping in?


Apparently he nixed it...I was going to contribute $100, but holy hell give us time to get our bills squared away first.
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Posted on 02-04-14 05:04:07 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kung Fu Man
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Interesting. Seems like it's already turned into a sort of community effort to release it. Anybody feel like chipping in?


Apparently he nixed it...I was going to contribute $100, but holy hell give us time to get our bills squared away first.


Was he expecting $1500 -on the spot-? I mean, hell, I was gonna register just to PM him and go "I'm throwing in money when I get paid next thursday." I hope he didn't just take people's money and run.

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Posted on 02-04-14 08:38:21 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by RahanAkero
Was he expecting $1500 -on the spot-? I mean, hell, I was gonna register just to PM him and go "I'm throwing in money when I get paid next thursday." I hope he didn't just take people's money and run.
In my mind, I would always be nervous of this. I mean, not just the person selling this prototype but any person who sells any prototype in general. Once the person meets their quota, who is to say they won't just disappear? I wish there was a more secure way of handling the release of prototypes.

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Posted on 02-04-14 02:22:52 PM (last edited by Hiccup at 12-01-14 02:11:37 PM) Link | Quote
A secure website system for this would be nice, but that might be a bit "high-profile", aka encourage lawsuits (etc). I am not saying that selling rare video games is illegal, but leaking them would almost definitely be against a companies' policy.

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Posted on 02-04-14 03:40:43 PM (last edited by GHANMI at 02-04-14 03:42:05 PM) Link | Quote
I recontacted him, and it seems he was banned from assemblergames. Collecting funds without asking for permission beforehand seems like a major offense over there.

From what I understand, Simon_Belmont essentially sold him a reproduction for 2500$ (and kept the original for himself) and now that he couldn't make back his investment by selling the reproduction in eBay (since it's illegal in France, it was eBay who shut it down), he's now asking for 1500$ for a ROM release, but how things turned out was... unexpected, to say the least.

Any solutions?
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Posted on 02-04-14 05:20:42 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by GHANMI
I recontacted him, and it seems he was banned from assemblergames. Collecting funds without asking for permission beforehand seems like a major offense over there.

From what I understand, Simon_Belmont essentially sold him a reproduction for 2500$ (and kept the original for himself) and now that he couldn't make back his investment by selling the reproduction in eBay (since it's illegal in France, it was eBay who shut it down), he's now asking for 1500$ for a ROM release, but how things turned out was... unexpected, to say the least.

Any solutions?


That's interesting as Assembler had posted in the other Contra proto ROM thread that he'd allow that one...

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Posted on 02-04-14 06:04:04 PM Link | Quote
Is there some kind of fundraiser we could pull together here? I'm game for jumping in next paycheck if we can pool our resources together.
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Posted on 02-04-14 10:24:56 PM Link | Quote
Simon_Belmont never sold him a reproduction, he only sold the ROM for $2500. That repro is something Jayfenwick's friend made for him. Just so that's cleared up.

I'm the one heading the Contra fundraiser, I'm not sure how Assembler is allowing ours but it may have something to do with me not being a new user there, whereas Jayfenwick had only like 30 posts or so by the time he was banned. Plus the whole topic was only a couple sentences basically saying "I have the ROM, I want $1500 for its release," when most fundraiser topics usually are a bit more wordy with details so that the people reading can feel more assured.

I feel bad for the guy spending so much but I don't know why he'd choose to just run away. Get a feeling we may have lost this proto, now. Simon_Belmont really shouldn't be selling ROMs unless it's a community effort where it goes public after being paid for. Just giving it to one person after having been burdened with such a huge price tag clearly doesn't work out well.
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Posted on 02-04-14 10:43:31 PM Link | Quote
Apparently quite a few people on Castlevania Dungeon were not only skeptical, they were basically asking him to give it away. If I'd paid $2500 for something, yes it would be nice to have people help pay it back. I ended up paying 1.1 grand for both of the Splatterhouse betas that are now out in the public, and got no help back for that.

So yes, if someone in contact with him can reach out to him I'd like to help, and given he gave the money back to the people that initially supported him that does indicate a sign of trust. Does paypal offer some means to pool money into a fund that, say, the webmaster here could deal with him directly once the quota's been met?
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Posted on 02-04-14 10:52:34 PM Link | Quote
Just to sidestep all of this for a sec, I just want to point out this completely unreleased and unannounced Genesis proto was recently released.

http://www.retrocollect.com/News/prototype-sega-mega-drive-game-frog-dude-rom-released-by-original-twilight-programmer.html

Wonder if there's anything further hidden away in there besides the one stage.
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Posted on 02-05-14 05:26:35 PM Link | Quote
Never heard of a C&D sent to that site. You're saying you know who bought it? Or you only know that the eBay bidder was a proxy agent?

I can't work out how JP people obtaining a proto means they can send a C&D to a website. More details plz.
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Posted on 02-05-14 06:34:10 PM (last edited by RahanAkero at 02-05-14 06:34:23 PM) Link | Quote
Konami sent them a C&D a long while ago.

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Isn't easy for all of that. C&D to it, never heard of it . Well, you always learn new things
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line 148 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 753 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 753 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 762 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 767 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 428 column 651 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 747 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 207 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 238 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 266 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 320 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 426 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 540 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 742 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 374 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md