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Posted on 01-05-14 06:37:12 PM (last edited by Kak64 at 01-05-14 06:38:31 PM) Link | Quote
It's like we'll never know for now. Their donation page (which is not on Fundraiser, apparently) is down for now.

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Posted on 01-05-14 09:11:37 PM Link | Quote
I'm curious about the 3DS's encryption. For example, what parts of a 3DS ROM are encrypted? Is it everything or only certain parts? Do we even know what type of encryption method is used on 3DS ROMs? I've tried to find info about these but I have generally come up empty handed.

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Posted on 01-05-14 10:21:15 PM Link | Quote
All I know is that 3DS roms in their current state are just 1-1 "dumb" roms.
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Posted on 01-06-14 05:19:50 AM (last edited by einstein95 at 01-06-14 05:24:27 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cuber456
I'm curious about the 3DS's encryption. For example, what parts of a 3DS ROM are encrypted? Is it everything or only certain parts? Do we even know what type of encryption method is used on 3DS ROMs? I've tried to find info about these but I have generally come up empty handed.


What is currently known is that a 3DS ROM has an unencrypted header and 2 encrypted partitions.

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Posted on 01-06-14 06:22:09 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kargaroc
All I know is that 3DS roms in their current state are just 1-1 "dumb" roms.

I guess that means they are unencrypted, there is nothing wrong with them?

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Posted on 01-06-14 06:47:04 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Hiccup
I guess that means they are unencrypted, there is nothing wrong with them?

No, they are literally just raw dumps of the encrypted data from the cartridge.

Did you somehow miss the rest of this conversation...?

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Posted on 01-06-14 08:51:21 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Hiccup
Originally posted by Kargaroc
All I know is that 3DS roms in their current state are just 1-1 "dumb" roms.

I guess that means they are unencrypted, there is nothing wrong with them?
Only the header is unencrypted - either somebody decrypts the two partitions (that fundraiser, but eh there are people already complaining what happened to their money - the latest news on the fundraiser are six months old but not the Nintendo Firmware section which is relatively updated; also nevermind the fundraiser page is down), or Nintendo accidentaly leaks its own tools.

Something tells me if the latter ever happens it will happen way after the 3DS becomes unsupported, probably even after this problem will be solved.

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Posted on 01-08-14 12:37:02 AM Link | Quote
I'm going to wager, given other parts of the 3dsbrew wiki and that a lot of the encryption is handled by hardware, that the encryption is some AES algorithm. (And before anyone asks, no, this information cannot be used to figure out the key.)
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Posted on 01-12-14 07:17:54 PM Link | Quote
Guy at Doomworld has a Final Doom PSX prototype.
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Posted on 01-13-14 05:19:33 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Dragonsbrethren
Guy at Doomworld has a Final Doom PSX prototype.

Answer to that person's question is ~250MB.

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Posted on 01-13-14 08:10:04 PM Link | Quote
Thanks, knew that but I had missed his reply.
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Posted on 01-29-14 02:58:38 PM Link | Quote
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SNES-Super-Mario-World-PAL-PROTOTYPE-PRE-RETAIL-Super-RARE-100-Authentic-/201028412904?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2ece3a25e8

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Posted on 01-29-14 03:20:44 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by nensondubois
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SNES-Super-Mario-World-PAL-PROTOTYPE-PRE-RETAIL-Super-RARE-100-Authentic-/201028412904?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2ece3a25e8
Uh, a PAL prototype of a NTSC game?

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Posted on 01-29-14 05:13:35 PM Link | Quote
Oh, right. I forgot.

Dumping Union has released the source code for Art of Fighting (Neo Geo). The program data. Apparently it was stuck in the PCE CD conversion's ISO as garbage data!

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Posted on 01-29-14 05:34:54 PM Link | Quote
The question is, does the screenshot show any differences from the final game versions?



It doesn't look like it. It would be nice to see if it has any internal differences too, of course.

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Posted on 01-29-14 05:42:03 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Hiccup
The question is, does the screenshot show any differences from the final game versions?



It doesn't look like it. It would be nice to see if it has any internal differences too, of course.
That's exactly what was I talking about.

I remember this exact thing happened some years ago. At the end they just said it wasn't worth it.


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Posted on 01-29-14 06:28:46 PM Link | Quote
Honestly, in my opinion, this Mario World prototype isn't worth it (especially for what $$ is being asked for it). First off, it is a prototype for the European release of the game which was the third (of 4) region to get the game. This was in 1992 while the game was originally released in Japan in 1990. The way I see it, the game was already made by this point. Any differences between the Japanese release and the European release will most likely be localization changes which is certainly not worth the money being asked for.

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It's probably just the US NTSC code running in PAL, without the few changes made to the PAL version. Overall, the whole set in the auction is pretty cool, tho - like the prerelease PAL SNES that still says "Use Cassette with Super Famicom Mark Only", and the fact that it all comes from (ex-)NoA's Howard Phillips.


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Howard Philips was the greatest man any collector could ask for and he helped out with documenting Nintendo's history by so much.
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Originally posted by Kak64
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Howard Philips was the greatest man any collector could ask for and he helped out with documenting Nintendo's history by so much.
But that doesn't mean their prototypes are worth, especially for insane amounts of money.

Did I ever say that? This prototype shouldn't even really break $1000, let alone over $10000.
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line 631 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 738 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 313 column 301 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 718 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 203 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 229 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 255 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 283 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 311 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 313 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 340 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 369 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 395 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 387 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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