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| ICEknight Member Level: 26     Posts: 54/135 EXP: 97117 For next: 5158 Since: 10-25-11 Since last post: 4.1 years Last activity: 3.9 years |
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| How could people be already aware of Dinosaur Planet being related to DKR2 before all this stuff was found, anyway? |
Peardian Magikoopa 16/3/1: KvSG #479 is up! Level: 157  Posts: 6932/7597 EXP: 48561393 For next: 1017840 Since: 08-02-07 From: Isle Delfino Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 37 min. |
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| koolaidman Member Level: 24 Posts: 59/108 EXP: 73589 For next: 4536 Since: 07-17-10 Since last post: 3.4 years Last activity: 1.2 years |
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| Noticed that STORYBOARD.bin and TRACKS.bin seem to have similar headers for each part contained in the file, at least maybe part of it. Based on the tab files for each, the 0x3 byte in what I think is the header is 0009. It definitely does look compressed in something though. What formats did Diddy Kong Racing use? Maybe these are similar? TRACKS.bin should be something from Diddy Kong Racing since both FRONTTEXT.bin and TEX.bin have the same date as TRACKS.bin according to the 'out' log. In fact, there are quite a few files modified on Jan 6 1999. Some of the sizes in the 'out' log are different from the sizes included on the disc though, so this log is obviously a remnant from an earlier date (it probably wasn't made in 2001/2002). |
| omega59 Member Level: 29 Posts: 157/184 EXP: 144351 For next: 3534 Since: 02-25-13 Since last post: 6.5 years Last activity: 5.0 years |
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Originally posted by Tamkis I'd say it's worth a shot. Nothing bad can really come from that can it? Also, I'm impressed by the progress being made almost daily, keep this up, it's awesome. |
| Hugo_Peters Level: 26  Posts: 33/147 EXP: 99206 For next: 3069 Since: 10-29-13 From: The Netherlands Since last post: 1.9 years Last activity: 1.1 years |
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| Ok, besides the shitload of info I really hope I'm able to post soon, I have found something different. In the file MAPSINFO.bin, there's a listing of levels from DP / SFA. Here is everything that's in there (sorted alphabetically) (not sure if this has been posted already): Animtest Arwing City Arwing Cloud Arwing Darkice Arwing Dragon ArWing Level - Andross Arwing to Planet BOSS DarkIce BOSS Drakor BOSS Scales BOSS TRex bossdrakorrock Cape Claw ccBridge cfcolumn cfdungeonblock cfgalleon cfgangplank cfliftplat cfprisoncage cfprisondoor CloudRunner - Dungeon CloudRunner - Race CloudRunner Fortress cloudrunnermap DarkIce Mines - Bottom DarkIce Mines - Top dbstepstone dfcavehatch1 dfcavehatch2 dfpodium dfcradle dim2 ice block1 dim2 ice block2 dim2icefloe dim2icefloe1 dim2icefloe2 dim2lift dim2stonepillar dimhornplinth dimpushblock Dragon Rock - Bottom Dragon Rock - Top drliftplat drpushcart galleonship Game Front Great Fox hdimbossgut Ice Mountain imspacecraft kameriancolumn krazchamber Krazoa Palace LightFoot Village LinkA - Warpstone to Others LinkB - Ice2Wastes LinkC - Wastes to Hollow LinkD - Darkmines top 2 bot LinkE - hollow to moon pass LinkF - moonpass to volcano LinkG - hollow to lightfoot LinkH - lightfoot to capecl LinkI - CloudRunner2Race LinkJ - capeclaw 2 ocean fo LinkK - Nik Test Magic Cave - Small\Big MazeTest Moon Mountain Pass Not Used - BOSS Kamerian D Not Used - CloudRunner - T Not Used - CloudRunner - T Not Used - CloudRunner2Rac Not Used - DarkIce Mines Not Used - DarkIce Mines Not Used - Diamond Bay Not Used - Discovery Falls Not Used - Duster Cave Not Used - EarthWalker Tem Not Used - Front End2 Not Used - Ice Mountain 2 Not Used - Ice Mountain 3 Not Used - Inside Galleo Not Used - Krazoa Palace Not Used - Krazoa Shrine Not Used - MikesLava Not Used - WGShrine Not Used - Willow Grove Not Used - WMinsert nwboulder nwshcolpush nwtreebridge nwtreebridge2 Ocean Force Point - Bottom Ocean Force Point - Top Rolling Demo - Just In Case Ship Battle shlily Shop SnowHorn Wastes Test Of Combat Test Of Fear Test Of Knowledge Test Of Skill Test Of Strength ThornTail Hollow ThornTail Hollow - Undergro vfppushblock vfpslide1 vfpslide2 Volcano Force Point Walled City wcbouncycrate wcpushblock wctemplelift World Map scstatue This file might rather be from the E3 demo, note that is says "Not Used - Discovery Falls" and the "dfalls" folder on the E3 disc is empty. Now, I'm finally able to decompress the data out of the ZLB files, using SubDrag's tool, though not the ZLO data (which is probably compressed using this: http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/lzo/ (note how it mentions Nintendo64 at portability, Wii (or GameCube) as well)). I extracted the files out of MAPS.bin, and this is were it gets funny. When you count all of the lines in MAPSINFO.bin, you come to a total of 116. The sum of all extracted files from MAPS.bin is... you guessed it, 116. Yay! Though a lot of the files are 1 KB and seem to be almost the same  Still might contain some interesting bits though.Here's a download to the extracted files, though I have no idea how to open them (looks at xdaniel  ).BTW, I decompressed / extracted the TEX0.bin, TEX1.bin, TEXPRE.bin and MODELS.bin as well, together with the animtest models from the SFA demo. Link: https://mega.co.nz/#!6cEAXDBb!CodcGlrWozpXPBxQ0uygVGiHrWRbKSsHXWzG3aEo4ro EDIT: Updated link, forgot to include MODELS.bin. There are only 36 models in MODELS.bin though, not sure....... most of the models seem to be defined in OBJECTS.bin.. Could MODELS.bin be DKR 2 stuff? ____________________ I have a blog: clyck! |
| xdaniel 980    Level: 64  Posts: 504/982 EXP: 2151575 For next: 62522 Since: 12-04-08 Pronouns: he/they From: Germany Since last post: 16 days Last activity: 5 hours |
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>>ESTABLISHING LINK...DONE. >>FETCHING POST DATA...DONE. >>EXECUTING POSTDISP.BIN... Originally posted by Hugo_Peters Heh, but it'll probably be Sunday afternoon before I get to looking at them, so everyone else feel free to take a stab at this too  ____________________
cu xdaniel -- Follower of the Church of Madoka -- @xdanieldzd (Twitter) -- stapled tech (YouTube)   It doesn't even matter if there is no hope, as the madness of the system grows |
| koolaidman Member Level: 24 Posts: 60/108 EXP: 73589 For next: 4536 Since: 07-17-10 Since last post: 3.4 years Last activity: 1.2 years |
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OBJECTS.bin contains strings for a variety of objects used in the game, with some kind of data in between each object. In the prototype, believe it or not, this file is significantly bigger than the final retail version. And to top it all off, the prototype even includes a second OBJECTS file that contains significantly less entries that's not used called OBJECTS.bin2. Here are the list of objects name contained in that file (I used Hex Workshop to export the list of strings so there might be some inconsistencies):
You can view the object list for OBJECTS.bin in both the prototype and the final US version here (because the list is enormous, I won't post everything here): Prototype US Final The only thing that seems to be missing from OBJECTS.bin2 (besides everything after CFPrisonCage) is 8InfoTablet. Also to Hugo: did you show Phil the music I ripped? |
| Hugo_Peters Level: 26 Posts: 34/147 EXP: 99206 For next: 3069 Since: 10-29-13 From: The Netherlands Since last post: 1.9 years Last activity: 1.1 years |
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Originally posted by koolaidman I sent him a huge zip archive with everything in it, including the music, though he does not want to download the files, because he currently has an active relationship with Nintendo and does not want to download copyrighted material. He's helping verbally as much as he can. ____________________ I have a blog: clyck! |
divingkataetheweirdo Bandit TCRF Super Editor Level: 57  Posts: 388/822 EXP: 1479657 For next: 6271 Since: 07-09-11 Since last post: 1.6 years Last activity: 253 days |
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Originally posted by Hugo_Peters Makes sense, considering that he plans to release Tengami on the Wii U. Besides, he is part of Nyamyam Games. He could still listen to the music on YT, although I think even that may be a wee dubious. Still, nice to hear that's giving some helpful advice with all of this. Also, the Diddy Kong Racing 2 stuff seems interesting, although I initially thought it was for a different racing game. I have to wonder how far that good. I wish I could be of more help, but I've yet to download the E3 proto. While I know how N64's internals, I haven't applied said knowledge. I'll take a look at those textures later today. ____________________ 
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| Hugo_Peters Level: 26 Posts: 35/147 EXP: 99206 For next: 3069 Since: 10-29-13 From: The Netherlands Since last post: 1.9 years Last activity: 1.1 years |
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Aha! Look at my amazingly epic Tile Molester skills.[/sarcasm] At least it's something!! EDIT: BTW, these are from the RETAIL TEX0.bin! ____________________ I have a blog: clyck! |
2Tie Rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated. Level: 70  Posts: 270/1229 EXP: 2871904 For next: 143907 Since: 02-22-10 Pronouns: anything works From: here Since last post: 49 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| In order, left to right, top to bottom: Alpine root, or snowhorn artifact. Not sure if similar to final game icon. Not sure what this could be. Bomb Spore or maybe what a Duster might've looked like? What I'm guessing to be the Moon Stone, found in Walled City in SFA A key without a hole, not sure what its SFA analogue would be. Sun's Stone, see moon stone Transformation/Disguise Spell. Looks identical to SFA's icon, though in the DP Alpha, it used Krystal's face :\ not sure what this one is, looks more rectangular than square/diamond... A gold or silver tooth, also from Walled City. not too sure on this one either. Anybody..? another key :c a gear from SnowHorn Wastes A Moonseed! almost very similar, if not the same, as SFA.ALSO: Crap Starfox has a symbol similar to DP's beside the magic meter. hm... ____________________  2Tie, the JCS CHAMP (whenever I'm around) Rawr~ |
| KCat Member Level: 15 Posts: 1/42 EXP: 15122 For next: 1262 Since: 11-10-13 Since last post: 4.4 years Last activity: 3.6 years |
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Originally posted by koolaidman I'm curious about this bit. How exactly was the sequence data converted to MIDI? What was the original format? I ask because it seems there was a problem with handling the pitch bend, which is most obviously heard in track 49 or 50 (00000032 00051D24): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbfcXpFTXks (song in the final game) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm-PBRWkh4M (from the reconstructed OST) I don't believe the difference in pitch can be attributed to being an earlier version of the song, given how note-for-note similar it is otherwise. There's some other songs that stick out with off-key notes as well. If I could understand the format of the original sequence data, and how it was converted to MIDI, I could try to help figure out what may be wrong in the conversion. All that said, I've extremely impressed with all the work that's been done in this thread. The model data extraction also has my interest piqued. |
| gonetogo Member Level: 16 Posts: 6/45 EXP: 16940 For next: 3316 Since: 09-08-13 Since last post: 6.9 years Last activity: 6.7 years |
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| Guys, you are great. Just a few bits of information: - hdimbossgut: dimboss refers to the boss in the Dark Ic Mines:  -LinkK - Nik Test: refers to Nik Palmer. -Not Used - BOSS Kamerian D: final boss? |
| koolaidman Member Level: 24 Posts: 61/108 EXP: 73589 For next: 4536 Since: 07-17-10 Since last post: 3.4 years Last activity: 1.2 years |
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Originally posted by KCat Rare games sometimes used the AMSeq format for their N64 games. I told SubDrag that there was data in AUDIO.bin that looked like the sequence format in Diddy Kong Racing and he was able to add support in N64MidTool for it. There are some problems with the converted sequences as I said when I released everything, here are some that I encountered: 1.) Pitch problems - as you said, there are some pitch problems in songs that heavily depend on it. For the song you listed I tried to shrink the pitch change values but nothing seemed to sound quite right so I left it to go work on other songs. For that song in particular I knew it was exactly the same as the one used in SFA so I figured it wasn't important to fix that particular one, but you're right that there are more that aren't used that have the same problem. But sometimes there were songs (like Discovery Falls) where the pitch changes are actually too weak. And most of the other songs had pitch changes that were just right. So you'll have to talk to SubDrag about this one. 2.) Program/Patch changes mid song - this wasn't much of a problem since ValleyBell's program worked wonderfully to split the individual channels that had changes and carry their pitch/patch settings over. But since it was an automated process it might've messed some stuff up (in fact there were one or two songs that didn't want to go through his program so I had to resave the MIDI file from a DAW elsewhere and open that up instead). One song that really had this problem bad was the Northern Wastes one. This song is really crazy as it basically has 3 songs in one MIDI file (a lot of the songs do this), each song with it's own channels and using some channels from the other songs. Thankfully I was able piece together something based on IOnEI Falcon's 1 hour video and the officially released version (during the game's original production) but it still sounds inaccurate because I wasn't as familiar with the song at the time so I just left it as is. There were a lot more problems with this song specifically which I'll get into later. 3.) Possible missing channels/notes - not as much as a problem because there weren't many places where it seemed like it was missing channels/notes. The only places that seemed noticeable were the ones for the Test of ____ tracks and Ice Mountain Race where the vocals were missing but the voice samples are actually still in MUSIC.bin (where all the other instrument samples are kept). The officially released music from DP was probably not taken directly from an N64, so there were probably some things that needed to be fixed during the conversion process to the game. 4.) Incorrect notes - also not as much of a problem, but there were some songs that seemed to be using the wrong samples (originally, Discovery Falls was like this but was an easy fix). This might have more to do with the soundfont I made rather than the converted MIDI, but I remember double checking this to make sure it wasn't a problem in other songs but I still ended up having the same problem here and there. (00000052 00081BD8 being the biggest case since nothing seems to work for it and there's no telling what the original sounded like). 5.) Problems with the soundfont - As I said, the instrument samples were taken from MUSIC.bin. The samples were extracted with N64SoundTool, which also has it's share of problems too. Luckily, the majority of the samples in MUSIC.bin were exactly 22khz, but there were still some that had a different rate. I had to manually fix this in Audacity, but since the samples had to be rerendered I lost the root key and loop point for the sample so these had to be recalculated. As a result, there are some parts where the instruments sound a little off, the biggest offender being the piano patch (which I still have no clue how to fix since it appears to be right but still sounds way off). To make matters worse, a lot of the patches used a variety of samples (for instance, there was one patch that had vocal expressions, drums, AND sfx all in one) and to top it all off, instead of having each sample have one root key the game spans the sample across multiple keys in range of the root key. Luckily I don't think I messed that up, but there might be problems with some of the samples themselves still. 6.) No looping - can't be helped I think. You can use some creative license to make up your own loop point for the song though. A lot of the songs sound very good even without a loop, like a soundtrack version. For a lot of these problems you'll have to take it up with SubDrag since he understands the format a lot more than I do. Again, I'm an amateur at audio stuff so this stuff took a huge part of my time to figure out. Would it help if I shared my FL Studio project files? I don't know if it'd work for anyone else's set up though but it would beat having to do the same work I did over again just to fix a few mistakes. (btw I forgot to mention, if anyone doesn't like the reverb/post effects I added to the mixes you can open up the converted MIDIs and the soundfont in SynthFont. I just added a few effects to make it sound a bit nicer). EDIT: Ack I'm noticing a lot of problems now that were oversights when I worked on this stuff in FL Studio where I used the wrong patches. You can hear more correct versions in SynthFont. I'll go back and fix these when I have more time in December. swhgpuiswergiuwgh |
| 2Tie Rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated. Level: 70 Posts: 271/1229 EXP: 2871904 For next: 143907 Since: 02-22-10 Pronouns: anything works From: here Since last post: 49 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by gonetogo Kamerian D, as in Kamerian Dragon, would be the battle with Drakor (random dragon battle for a spellstone in SFA, most likely final battle in DP. The Kamerian Heart is supposed to be another boss battle, I believe.) ____________________ 2Tie, the JCS CHAMP (whenever I'm around) Rawr~ |
| Hugo_Peters Level: 26 Posts: 36/147 EXP: 99206 For next: 3069 Since: 10-29-13 From: The Netherlands Since last post: 1.9 years Last activity: 1.1 years |
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| I noticed this: When playing SFA, you can see a light "glitch" occur: find a random light somewhere, and try to block the light using an object, like a pilar. You will still see the "glow" of the light through the object. What's funny, is that the same glitch occurs in DP! See http://youtu.be/cOVBRJToVDY?t=9m20s notice how the light/fire in the background goes "through" Krystal. Some more text from [retail and e3] default.dol (not gonna up addresses up here, search for the string if you want to know  )No response N64 controller N64 microphone N64 keyboard N64 mouse GameBoy Advance Standard controller Wireless receiver WaveBird controller Keyboard Steering *************************************** ! ! ! C A U T I O N ! ! ! This TV format "DEBUG_PAL" is only for temporary solution until PAL DAC board is available. Please do NOT use this mode in real games!!! MetroTRK for Dolphin v0.5 (Anybody knows what that program is?) There is A LOT, and I mean, A SHITLOAD of strings for loading models / assigning textures, really indepth stuff. There are references to RGB565... Starting address is 002D3920 in E3 default.dol. Someones gotta take a look at that (read on after the breaks, there's an insane amount of info there, that could help with writing a model viewer or something) ____________________ I have a blog: clyck! |
| oaa Member Level: 34  Posts: 233/235 EXP: 236643 For next: 17008 Since: 07-01-10 From: Cleveland Since last post: 8.3 years Last activity: 2.5 years |
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Originally posted by Hugo_Peters I'm pretty sure this is some SDK stuff, a few other games have this text. |
| Hugo_Peters Level: 26 Posts: 37/147 EXP: 99206 For next: 3069 Since: 10-29-13 From: The Netherlands Since last post: 1.9 years Last activity: 1.1 years |
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Originally posted by oaa Yeah, that's what I thought. Still kinda interesting to see parts of the N64 SDK pop up in the GC code, though. ____________________ I have a blog: clyck! |
| einstein95 Member Level: 37 Posts: 85/318 EXP: 325755 For next: 12498 Since: 04-11-13 Since last post: 3.3 years Last activity: 3.3 years |
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Originally posted by Hugo_Peters No, not really. ____________________ The more I type, the less gooder it sounds does. |
| Hugo_Peters Level: 26 Posts: 38/147 EXP: 99206 For next: 3069 Since: 10-29-13 From: The Netherlands Since last post: 1.9 years Last activity: 1.1 years |
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Originally posted by einstein95 Still makes me wonder why there are parts of the service disc in SFA's code... they might've gotten the source code for it and copy-pasted parts so they could bootstrap DP on the GC easier... EDIT: Pretty sure it's not from the Service Disc, but from the SDK, as in the service disc I found this string: "MetroTRK for Dolphin v0.8" while in SFA they're using 0.5. ____________________ I have a blog: clyck! |
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