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Posted on 08-05-13 04:23:22 PM Link | Quote
Sorry, I'm tired enough that I just let my head hit the keyboard. Anyway, moving on...


At some point in E_FUTURE I'm going to update mediawiki and maybe migrate the default stuff over to vector instead of monobook (the skin).

would anybody have any issues if i added some links to other sites (dykg/unseen64/etc?) and/or a leaderboard ad across the top? (same no-flash pw ads like the skyscraper one to the left)

this is all just theoreticals but i'm throwing it out there to see what sticks

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Posted on 08-05-13 05:06:44 PM Link | Quote
I don't see why there'd be an issue with linking to other sites with similar themes.

As for ads, I don't care either as long as they don't make noise or take over the mouse / window.

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Posted on 08-05-13 10:03:20 PM Link | Quote
If you're thinking of Linking to other sites how about DidYouKnowGaming.com. Too tired to Explain why (its past Midnight here).
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Posted on 08-05-13 10:47:06 PM (last edited by dotUser at 08-05-13 10:50:05 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by SamEarl13
If you're thinking of Linking to other sites how about DidYouKnowGaming.com. Too tired to Explain why (its past Midnight here).


That's what "dykg" means dude...

I'm totally fine with those ideas, Xk. More indirect traffic generation on one side, and some supporting (monetary-wise) expansion until it gains more favor (given it does increase access by a fair enough margin?).
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Posted on 08-05-13 10:50:43 PM Link | Quote
I can't say I like the idea of banner ads at the top of the page at all, but if we're seriously hurting for revenue...

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Posted on 08-05-13 10:59:36 PM Link | Quote
I prefer Monobook over Vector and a huge banner ad at the top might annoy a bunch of people though (see also: popular reception to Wikipedia's donation drives). I don't see a problem with anything else (maybe throw in wow cool facts about gaming as a joke =P )
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Posted on 08-05-13 11:03:07 PM Link | Quote
Put the banner at the bottom instead of the top, otherwise I'm good with all of those ideas

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Posted on 08-06-13 02:48:51 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by andlabs
I prefer Monobook over Vector and a huge banner ad at the top might annoy a bunch of people though (see also: popular reception to Wikipedia's donation drives). I don't see a problem with anything else (maybe throw in wow cool facts about gaming as a joke =P )


As long as we don't have Jimbo Wales' ugly face staring at us, we're fine.

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Posted on 08-06-13 10:00:36 AM Link | Quote
No real opinion on what stylesheet the site uses, but an update at some point would probably be nice.

The prevailing opinion about DYKG at least seems to be that it's terrible, but I have no personal objection to the wiki linking to them or others.

As for a leaderboard ad, frankly I would block it. The ad spot in the sidebar doesn't actually interfere with the layout of the content, while a top ad would, which kind of breaches my threshold on the scale of putting up with inconveniences to support the site. I imagine you'd get something of a tradeoff--extra revenue from the banner vs. lost revenue from people like me blocking it.

I know there's some crossover here, but I'm shooting more for "realist" than "dick".
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Posted on 08-06-13 10:09:52 AM Link | Quote
Honestly I'd prefer leaving the ad at the side as it is right now, especially since one is likely to scroll down with most articles anyway (so you aren't likely to miss it unless you're already trained to ignore ads for starters).
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Posted on 08-06-13 10:48:53 AM Link | Quote
Huh, just a heads-up to say that the Vector skin as it is now has no ads, so...

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Posted on 08-06-13 07:00:21 PM Link | Quote
I'm thinking I could always do something like having the ad show up if you're not logged in, but have it go away if you log in.

And of course you can change themes to get away from it, yeah. Vector will eventually have the sidebar one added at some point, though.

...and the thing with leaderboards is they seem to be a lot more popular to use than "normal" ones. I'll throw some tests together and see what works.

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Posted on 08-06-13 07:01:06 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by BMF54123
I can't say I like the idea of banner ads at the top of the page at all, but if we're seriously hurting for revenue...

We're not really hurting for revenue, but TCRF doesn't pay for itself (and the money made from ads can be reused to advertise for TCRF at other places, too).

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Posted on 08-06-13 11:42:52 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I'm thinking I could always do something like having the ad show up if you're not logged in, but have it go away if you log in.


This would be good. That way the ads don't bother the regular contributors who tend to load / reload the pages when working on stuff.

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Posted on 08-07-13 01:54:12 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Originally posted by BMF54123
I can't say I like the idea of banner ads at the top of the page at all, but if we're seriously hurting for revenue...

We're not really hurting for revenue, but TCRF doesn't pay for itself (and the money made from ads can be reused to advertise for TCRF at other places, too).

I think I'm going to agree on the leaderboard ad being more annoying than the current sidebar ad or one at the bottom. I'd have to see it incorporated into the layout, though, it might not be as bad as I'm thinking. I know the LP archive uses them and they don't bother me there.

I'm actually not a fan of not showing the ad when logged in, though. I'm too broke to donate, but I love TCRF, so I'd like you to be getting ad revenue from me at least. Maybe make it so ads go away for donators?
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Posted on 08-07-13 05:41:10 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Dragonsbrethren
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Originally posted by BMF54123
I can't say I like the idea of banner ads at the top of the page at all, but if we're seriously hurting for revenue...

We're not really hurting for revenue, but TCRF doesn't pay for itself (and the money made from ads can be reused to advertise for TCRF at other places, too).

I think I'm going to agree on the leaderboard ad being more annoying than the current sidebar ad or one at the bottom. I'd have to see it incorporated into the layout, though, it might not be as bad as I'm thinking. I know the LP archive uses them and they don't bother me there.

I'm actually not a fan of not showing the ad when logged in, though. I'm too broke to donate, but I love TCRF, so I'd like you to be getting ad revenue from me at least. Maybe make it so ads go away for donators?

Not a bad idea. I can deal with ads as long as they don't get annoying or go in front of text when viewing a page in peculiar resolutions.
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Posted on 08-07-13 12:51:55 PM Link | Quote
I've never been bothered with the ads here, and i feel pretty okay with ads getting added as well as keeping the ads when logged in, as long as they don't move across the page like on Yahoo

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line 599 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 630 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 256 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
Lobby your company to join the W3C: http://www.w3.org/Consortium

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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md