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Posted on 12-13-07 09:47:14 PM

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	Definitely agreed there. I'd like to keep the look of mine close as I can, with less code bloat. Lacking HTML knowledge doesn't help at all. Way too many lines to achieve its intended visual style. ____________________

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Posted on 12-13-07 09:49:31 PM

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The best way to learn is by taking apart somebody else's layout who does it right. For example, mine could be converted into something like yours with minimal effort. You just need to experiment a bit and not be afraid to search for HTML tag help.

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Posted on 12-13-07 09:50:04 PM

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Originally posted by Eon
Definitely agreed there. I'd like to keep the look of mine close as I can, with less code bloat. Lacking HTML knowledge doesn't help at all. Way too many lines to achieve its intended visual style.

Simple solution. Don't use a layout. I used to make layouts, but I am far too lazy these days.

Need some motivation? Make a layout that isn't autogeneratedbullshit, or else you won't have layouts much longer. None of us want that right?

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Posted on 12-13-07 09:51:47 PM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
The best way to learn is by taking apart somebody else's layout who does it right. For example, mine could be converted into something like yours with minimal effort. You just need to experiment a bit and not be afraid to search for HTML tag help.

*As long as it's not a Fyxe layout.

Because you know.

You know.

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Posted on 12-13-07 09:57:37 PM

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Mine would be smaller if I imported my css, and not just dumped it in a style tag. At least this way however, if the external server dies, it will still be there.

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Posted on 12-13-07 10:37:44 PM

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Originally posted by Darkdata
Mine would be smaller if I imported my css, and not just dumped it in a style tag. At least this way however, if the external server dies, it will still be there.

That kind of layout doesn't even look like it needs a style tag.

Customized quotes and links are overrated. Severely.

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Posted on 12-13-07 10:49:46 PM (last edited by Xkeeper at 12-13-07 07:56 PM)

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Layout go boom. It was a bit much.

Now, maybe this'll get me interested in learning how to make one from scratch...

Well, not really.

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Posted on 12-13-07 11:14:19 PM

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Eh, I'll figure somthing out.

I greatly apologize for the layout crappiness :/

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Posted on 12-13-07 11:15:15 PM

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Originally posted by Electrometer Prime
Eh, I'll figure somthing out.

I greatly apologize for the layout crappiness :/

yours wasn't that bad, but could've been done much easier. just look at BMF's old layout for inspiration in that aspect, really.

or cpubasic13's.

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Posted on 12-13-07 11:22:06 PM (last edited by VGFreak877 at 12-13-07 08:23 PM)

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Interesting -- I was #82 on the list when I just had a banner in my signature. I put the coding for this layout in and went to #41. I don't use this layout much anymore, I had forgotten all about it.

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Posted on 12-13-07 11:25:16 PM

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I will add it to my Todo list. I'm sure I can try to make another simple layout that doesnt have a bunch of useless crap in the header this weeken. We shall see.

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Posted on 12-14-07 12:12:12 AM

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Just to see by myself how bad the layout maker's code was, I took DT's layout (before he removed it) and tried to shrink the code as much as I could without breaking it ...

- Header: 3799 -> 882
- Signature: 289 -> 176
- Total: 4088 -> 1058 (25.9%)

Almost 4x smaller, and that's without using an external .css file

Just some examples of how bad it was:

border-top-style: Dashed;border-left-style: Dashed;border-right-style: Dashed;border-bottom-style: Dashed;border-top-color: rgb(255,255,255);border-left-color: rgb(255,255,255);border-right-color: rgb(255,255,255);border-bottom-color: rgb(255,255,255);border-top-width: 3;border-left-width: 3;border-right-width: 3;border-bottom-width: 3;

change to

border:dashed 3px #fff

<img id=cimg src="http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3401/darkmatejy0.gif" style="float:right; border-top-style:None;border-left-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none; border-top-color:gray;border-left-color:gray;border-right-color:gray;border-bottom-color:gray; border-top-width:3;border-left-width:3;border-right-width:3;border-bottom-width:3;">

change to (although that short URL is pushing it a bit)

<img src=//38.99.76.33/img233/3401/darkmatejy0.gif align=right>

In other news, I made my own layout about 100 bytes smaller

(337 bytes for HTML, 941 for CSS)

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Posted on 12-14-07 12:58:56 AM

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Originally posted by VGFreak877 Interesting -- I was #82 on the list when I just had a banner in my signature. I put the coding for this layout in and went to #41. I don't use this layout much anymore, I had forgotten all about it. Ever since I could remember ACMLM communities, you have always had that layout. Which is awesome. Stats are a thumbs up for me. ____________________ Currently Playing: Unreal Tournament 3 Better Days\|Folding@Home stats

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Posted on 12-14-07 01:03:18 AM

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This layout began as a creation of ye olde layout maker. I eventually recoded it myself at some point, and it's been slowly changing ever since.

I never really realized how messy the layout maker's output was until I compared my handmade one to the layout maker's version.

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Posted on 12-14-07 01:06:21 AM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
Customized quotes and links are overrated. Severely.

Quotes I can agree with, but links? On his layout? I dunno what crazy color scheme you use, but Night's links would be a bit hard to see there... any formatting for them beyond a custom color, I can agree is a bit much.

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Posted on 12-14-07 01:11:10 AM

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Somewhat old wintery layout!
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Mine have always been by hand.

Of course, I started by yoinking some code to play with (I cant even remember who it was).

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Posted on 12-14-07 01:21:56 AM (last edited by Spontaneous Madness at 12-13-07 10:22 PM)

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I borrowed Peardian's layout to begin with, and screwed around enough to get this. And I"m number 52 on the list! ____________________ I cannot cry cause the shoulder cries more, I cannot die, I a whore for a cold world.

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Posted on 12-14-07 01:51:38 AM

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Originally posted by Stigandr
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Customized quotes and links are overrated. Severely.

Quotes I can agree with, but links? On his layout? I dunno what crazy color scheme you use, but Night's links would be a bit hard to see there... any formatting for them beyond a custom color, I can agree is a bit much.

Yeah, but I mean when there's no need to change it.

It's kind of dumb having 30 different link styles on one page, though, especially when they aren't needed. x-x

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Posted on 12-14-07 02:16:54 AM

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Jul - Post #1804 - 12-13-07 09:16:54pm

Acmlm: oh god.

I wonder if I could make a layout maker that doesn't suck?

Both in the "generic cookie cutter crap" aspect and the "code is absolute shit" aspect.

Originally posted by Xkeeper
I'm going to start destroying these layouts sooner or later for being too bloated and too crappy looking.

Would that be the biggest ones or the Layout Maker ones? Because size doesn't mean much when you can link to external stylesheets. The majority of mine is CSS, so that would shrink mine quite a bit, but load time could suffer.

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