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Would a Theory be ok if a Majority of people agreed with it?
Some stuff is unknown, some people try to come up with an answer. If most people agreed with it would it be interesting enough to be TCRF-worthy.
Yes a Good Theory Makes Pages more interesting
 
35.7%, 5 votes
Its ok i guess
 
7.1%, 1 vote
Meh...   0.0%, 0 votes
Not Really.
 
14.3%, 2 votes
I hate the idea.
 
42.9%, 6 votes
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Posted on 06-13-12 08:32:30 AM Link | Quote
I noticed that when a someone comes up with a good theory a page can look more interesting. This could be for things with unknown uses or other things. But how do you think of them. Would they be ok if many people agreed upon the theory beforehand?
Bonus Question:'Trivia' in Pages, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

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Posted on 06-13-12 10:12:48 AM Link | Quote
I hate the idea, unless the person who is theorizing knows the subject incredibly, incredibly well.

There is a difference between, say, "OH I JUST FOUND THIS NEW UNUSED GRAPHIC I GUESS IT'S FOR THIS TOTALLY UNRELATED STUFF I JUST DREAMED UP" and "Hm. This is an unused item pickup-thing. It's unused, but when I watch the RAM, a counter goes up when I collect it, and my shot type resets to the default. I bet this was a shot powerup at some point, because all of this evidence suggests it." One is an intelligent, well-reasoned theory. The other one is just baseless speculation.

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Posted on 06-13-12 10:24:01 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by RahanAkero
I hate the idea, unless the person who is theorizing knows the subject incredibly, incredibly well.

There is a difference between, say, "OH I JUST FOUND THIS NEW UNUSED GRAPHIC I GUESS IT'S FOR THIS TOTALLY UNRELATED STUFF I JUST DREAMED UP" and "Hm. This is an unused item pickup-thing. It's unused, but when I watch the RAM, a counter goes up when I collect it, and my shot type resets to the default. I bet this was a shot powerup at some point, because all of this evidence suggests it." One is an intelligent, well-reasoned theory. The other one is just baseless speculation.

Amen.

There are ways to make pages interesting and not sleep-inducing, but this is not one of them.
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Posted on 06-13-12 10:38:22 AM Link | Quote
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Speculation would make more sense in Talk/Discussion pages or this forum, but not main article pages.

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Posted on 06-13-12 10:38:56 AM (last edited by Reimu at 06-13-12 10:43:41 AM) Link | Quote
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The number of people that agree with an idea is irrelevant, specially if the idea itself is terrible. (Zora's Alcove contains the triforce, by the way)

Sometimes speculation ISN'T baseless and likely... but that is so rare, it's better to axe all speculation off.

For example, "hey I just found this unused song" is informative, and true. "Hey I just found this song that totally sounds like a boss battle this suggests the game had boss battles at some point" is simply a lie.


But again, sometimes theories are done tastefully and there is solid and concrete evidence for it... but we should be reporting this evidence. Pretty much like in Rahan's example.

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Posted on 06-13-12 03:12:31 PM Link | Quote
Rahan said it best. I had a bigger post planned, but he already said everything I was going to say.


And technically, speculation is by definition without solid evidence. Once a theory has firm and logical evidence to back it up, it ceases to be speculation. Even if it seems really logical and people agree with it, that doesn't make it any more right.

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Posted on 06-13-12 05:17:29 PM Link | Quote
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I guess in application, this will always be a fairly fuzzy subject that will have to be considered on a case by case basis. To be absolutely concrete, it'd be impossible to claim that anything is anything, and just present it as some unused something, but that's just silly.

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Posted on 06-13-12 05:43:52 PM Link | Quote
I'm okay with the occasional "perhaps this was once used for [x]?", as long as it's short and sweet and makes sense. Don't go claiming that a puzzle game once had boss battles, or that an enemy's color was changed because of Nintendo's "draconian censorship policies", unless you have some really solid evidence to back those claims up (I've had to remove the latter on several occasions).

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Posted on 06-13-12 05:45:48 PM Link | Quote
I'd be interested if the theory was highly plausible and well researched. I mean, so long as we don't get, "Tails was the guardian of the Master Emerald!" all over again.

I'd be for it, so long as evidence points that way anyways.
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Posted on 06-13-12 06:02:04 PM Link | Quote
I think theories would be a good thing. As already stated, they would however need to be properly researched and provide evidence to corroborate them. A theory without evidence is also without credibility. But the most important thing of all is to keep them off the main page of the article. Not only will they be non factual, but they will probably be full on complicated and hard to understand information, and possibly even be a dry read. The discussion page is probably the best place to have them. Maybe, on a case to case basis, there could even be a small comment on the main page about what something could have been used for and then a link to the theory on the discussion page.

Well, that's my two cents.

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Posted on 06-13-12 06:41:24 PM Link | Quote
Theories and speculation (aside from the short bits I mentioned) will remain confined to Talk/Discussion pages for the foreseeable future. I do not want them in articles, nor do I want separate sections/pages dedicated to them. I'd like TCRF to remain a trustworthy source of factual information (unlike, say, The Mechanical Maniacs).

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Posted on 06-13-12 09:38:24 PM Link | Quote
There's already a ton of baseless speculation on the Wiki, I see it all the time.

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Posted on 06-13-12 09:58:29 PM (last edited by BMF54123 at 06-13-12 11:44:39 PM) Link | Quote
Yeah, I'm aware. Unfortunately, not everyone follows the rules.

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Posted on 06-13-12 10:50:01 PM (last edited by GlitterBerri at 06-13-12 10:50:24 PM) Link | Quote
Not criticizing your admirable moderating efforts, BMF, just commenting on the topic in general.

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Posted on 06-14-12 02:07:04 PM Link | Quote
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This is very similar to some discussions had with respect to the CWCki. :p I guess every wiki has to deal with some amount of speculation.

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Posted on 06-14-12 04:19:56 PM Link | Quote
Some levels of speculation is OK (for example, suggestions of just what, exactly, the thing that pops out of the ? box in SMB3's lost bonus round is).

However, anything requiring some serious acrobatics like "This unused → in the font clearly meant that at some point you could triple backflip jump" is junk.


So, for the most part, don't bother.

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line 475 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 475 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 476 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 486 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 512 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 529 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 539 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 543 column 89 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "60c000" and has been replaced
line 546 column 394 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 546 column 394 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 553 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 554 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 555 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 565 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 569 column 92 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "F185C9" and has been replaced
line 580 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 581 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 581 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 592 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 607 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 607 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 607 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 608 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 618 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 639 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 639 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 639 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 648 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 653 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 149 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 351 column 363 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 633 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 636 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 203 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 230 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 259 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 290 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 316 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 318 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 325 column 1162 - Warning: <marquee> is not approved by W3C
line 349 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 356 column 1031 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 383 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 409 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 435 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 463 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 491 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 517 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 544 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 570 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 597 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 623 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 324 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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