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Posted on 01-03-12 11:52:56 PM Link | Quote
Exactly. That's why they probably dropped the dummy's version of the model in favor of one that saved space- the translucent water never got anywhere.

Now, I'm kind of intrigued by a rather large .arc called Mo2_si. It's positioned just after Mo.arc. Now, Mo.arc is the Moblin object. rarcdump can't extract it, but on looking at it through a hex editor, you can see that the models are BMDs. I've noticed that older models (like the beta Siren rooms) use BMD format. I'm starting to wonder if the models in Mo.arc are the Moblins from the debut trailer. There's a catch, however. The models themselves are broken- BMDviewer crashes when trying to open them. They're a different from the other BMDs in the game; I wonder if they're in a different (earlier) format, or just corrupted.

I also swear that I found the chandelier that Link jumps onto in that same trailer, but I didn't know what it was at the time. I'll keep looking for it.
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Posted on 01-07-12 03:16:05 PM Link | Quote
I believe that ArcExtract.exe can extract them (It's on Jaytheham's site)

But the models are still broken.
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Posted on 01-08-12 10:39:30 PM (last edited by xdaniel at 01-08-12 07:41 PM) Link | Quote


>>ESTABLISHING LINK...DONE.    >>FETCHING POST DATA...DONE.    >>EXECUTING POSTDISP.BIN...


The script from the kiosk demo, full of untranslated Japanese text, rough translations and typos: http://magicstone.de/dzd/random/wwdemo-script.txt

Has gems like "ERROR! Please contact the sales staff for assistance." replacing most Memory Card messages, has the Grappling Hook being called the "Hook Rope", etc. Note that there's many, but not all control codes (button icons, etc.) missing from this dump; I left them out for the sake of a more readable script.

(Also note that you might have to set the character encoding manually, it's in UTF-8)


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Posted on 01-20-12 10:19:11 PM (last edited by Gamma at 01-20-12 10:33 PM) Link | Quote


I believe this is the chandelier from the first E3 trailer. It's called 'syan.' Can anyone confirm that this is or isn't used in-game?

Here's something else:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_qDnY-vIXM

Are these sounds used anywhere in the game? I don't recognize them.
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Posted on 02-20-12 09:38:56 AM (last edited by GlitterBerri at 02-20-12 06:49 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gamma


I believe this is the chandelier from the first E3 trailer. It's called 'syan.' Can anyone confirm that this is or isn't used in-game?

Here's something else:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_qDnY-vIXM

Are these sounds used anywhere in the game? I don't recognize them.


Syan = shan(deria), "chandelier" in romaji.

Is that your YouTube channel, Gamma? If that's so, what Lishy1 said isn't true. Shiren/siren is 試練 (test/trial/ordeal) in this case, not the English word "siren". Siren would be "sairen" in Japanese.

"If you slow down the ones from the video, they are of a woman speaking Japanese."

Post here and I'll translate them for you.
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Posted on 02-20-12 10:41:24 AM Link | Quote
It never really occurred to me that all of these objects would have pieces of actual Japanese in them. Like I found out a few days ago that the object called 'Kusa' is grass. 'Trial' is a pretty fitting name.

What doesn't make sense in that regard, then, is that the object of the Tower of the Gods is called X_Tower. There's also things like 'Auction,' 'bigelf,' 'bomb,' 'bridge' and 'logo.' Why do these contain supposedly English words?

And yeah, that's my Youtube channel.

Here's the woman speaking Japanese:

http://www.triforce-legend.com/site/sons/TWW_ShirenAW.wav

It was posted in the discussion page of The Wind Waker's TCRF article after I mentioned the sounds.
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Posted on 02-20-12 10:55:02 AM Link | Quote
I've listened to that several times and can't make any sense of it. It almost sounds like Midna's speech. I tried reversing the audio as well, but didn't have any luck. I'll ask a native Japanese speaker tomorrow just in case they're able to make a better guess. What are the normal rat sounds like? Would they sound similar to this? Do you have the audio files somewhere?

Some of the object names are Japanese, some English, some Engrish, some simply abbreviations... Trial makes sense in this case, since the Tower of the Gods is a trial for the hero.
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Posted on 02-20-12 07:42:56 PM Link | Quote
I've noticed people keep asking about the rat sounds... these are not the rat sounds. These are Gohdan's clips.
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Posted on 02-20-12 08:28:31 PM (last edited by GlitterBerri at 02-20-12 05:30 PM) Link | Quote
Oh, sorry. I got confused with the mention of the rats on your YouTube video. By the way, that Triforce Legend site's mystery section is awesome. I didn't know about some of those things. Now I'm curious to see the rest of what the Zora NPCs say in Majora's Mask's debug area.
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Posted on 02-21-12 09:21:40 AM Link | Quote
Here is the rest of the texts of the two Zoras. The second says something different the second time he speaks.

Zora 1

Zora 2
Zora 2

I think this is probably the texts from the normal game.

Sorry again for the English, but since I do not speak, I am forced to use a language translator.
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Posted on 02-21-12 12:10:28 PM (last edited by GlitterBerri at 02-21-12 09:11 AM) Link | Quote
Ce n'est pas un problème! Heureusement, Google Translate peut traduire bien le français et l'anglais. Et je peux parle un peu de français si tu veux communiquer avec moi personnellement. Merci pour participer à ce forum!



Hey, are you planning to relax with a saltwater bath? Isn't the sea around here warm and gross-feeling?

Not to mention there's a strange fog that's appeared, so you'd better be careful!



Is this your first time at the ocean? There's this fortress full of frightning pirates around here.

If you hang around, they'll find you, and you'll be a goner.



If you're looking for a saltwater bath, you'd better go elsewhere.

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I think you're right about the text being from the normal game. Thank you for the screenshots!
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Posted on 02-21-12 12:34:57 PM Link | Quote
For personal conversations, there is no problem!

Yes, I have a feeling that these texts are present in the game are the two Zoras located not far from the fortress of pirates Gerudos.

Well, this is a small mystery solved. We can talk again of The Wind Waker.

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Posted on 02-21-12 02:13:48 PM Link | Quote
These days, I am very interested in the earliest version of Outset Island. The final game, there remains only the famous large map of the island.



Regarding images of this place, there are only two images of Outset Island from before E3 2002. Above, it is possible to see some interesting things.

The first, the home of Mesa does not exist, as shown on the map.



On the second, it seems that there is a kind of wing windmill in the background, but it's still unclear.



The other interesting thing visible on the map, but can not see because of a lack of images. The dock near the home of Link. It seems very long and dark green. The second image is too hidden.

I can also say that there is also a beach behind the island to the cave of Jabu.

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Posted on 02-21-12 02:27:10 PM Link | Quote
I found you some other screenshots, actually.

Speaking of which, I could use some help on writing commentary for these, too.
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Posted on 02-21-12 02:40:53 PM Link | Quote
There is already a big difference between some images from E3 2002. These are the clouds. Moreover, the textures of this version lacks detail.

May 21st, 2002 (E3), it is the clouds of the first version. I talk about TCRF where I found the texture of the clouds.

May 24th, 2002, the clouds have changed, but I see the house of Mesa is still lacking.



This place reminds me of something ... Caves "I_SubAN".

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Posted on 02-21-12 04:04:24 PM Link | Quote
Is that like a different version of the game, cause from what I remember the buttons didn't look like that on my copy..Besides, I still have yet to beat the game 100%....but I do have clues to where everything is.

plus I haven't viewed E3 in a long time, and Hell, I never even knew there was a 2002 one.

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Posted on 02-21-12 06:48:19 PM Link | Quote
All beta screenshots are from a version of the game that was still in development, so many things are different from the final, including the interface.
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Posted on 02-21-12 07:44:00 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, the interface changed a TON of times during development.
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Posted on 02-22-12 09:05:26 AM (last edited by Dark Linkaël at 02-22-12 06:38 AM) Link | Quote
It was the same for Zelda 64 and Ocarina of Time.

Otherwise, there is a very interesting video of IGN dating from E3 2002. This is a video about 30 seconds showing the Outset Island. I see quite a difference, not specifically for the island, but the arrangement of characters and objects. But the thing that speaks directly, it is the music!

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker GameCube Gameplay - A

There are other short videos and the like that are very interesting too.

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Posted on 02-22-12 06:20:24 PM Link | Quote
Ohhhh, now I understand what ya mean. Okay that makes much more sense...but yeah..

Did they even have half the secrets made up? They had to have changed them around atleast 5 or so times, cause I can see a few tile mishaps in some of the places where there was a hidden place...though I haven't played it in ages so I don't really know if I could find them again or not...

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line 815 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 824 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 829 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 809 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 207 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 235 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 275 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 309 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 379 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md