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Posted on 01-14-12 09:16:59 AM (last edited by Xkeeper at 01-14-12 06:17 AM) Link | Quote
We've been digging through the ROM lately and finding a lot of really weird leftover stuff lately.


Case in point (just to get discussion started) here are some unused powerups BMF discovered:



They're on the right, while their counterparts (from the games below; note that the top two, we aren't 100% sure on) are on the left.

I can't believe they actually stuffed a Gradius powerup in there, for one.
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Posted on 01-14-12 09:32:10 AM Link | Quote
To expand on this a little, I found the coding for these powerups, and while it doesn't actually seem to work anymore, its original functionality is pretty clear: the game used to have a weapon leveling system (for Bert's lasers, most likely) similar to Zero Wing and other shoot-em-ups, where collecting the same type of powerup several times in a row both equips and levels up the corresponding weapon. This was what actually prompted me to take another look at the item graphics themselves, at which point the Gradius capsule jumped right out and slapped me in the face. It was definitely a mind-blowing "holy crap, IT ALL MAKES SENSE!" kind of moment.

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Posted on 01-14-12 12:15:48 PM Link | Quote
Quite the interesting choice of powerups! Now it makes a lot of sense.

I'm still waking up here, but I wonder now if switching between Mike and Bert was supposed to be a bit different. It wouldn't make much sense to have the current switching system with the dummied out power up system there.

I'm still curious to see what the key has to do with anything, though it could have simply been you had to collect that key before you could go into any of the rooms. Just speculation.

Also, monkeys! I'm at a loss for an answer to that, though maybe it has to do with the "Sorry, I'm dead." boss. Perhaps instead of just lying there all dead, the monkeys were there throwing bones at you from the corpse?

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Posted on 01-14-12 09:11:27 PM Link | Quote
Very neat! This is one of those games from my childhood so it's pretty cool seeing stuff like this.

Also I wanted to point out that there's a tail fin tile missing from the "wolf in a race car" rip on the site. I found it months ago but never got around to replacing it.
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Posted on 01-15-12 04:10:28 AM (last edited by ICEknight at 01-15-12 01:22 AM) Link | Quote
Regarding that wolf, I remember coming across it a while ago, and posting about it at the FEFEA forums.

And I have one of the replies from the original topic saved, so here's a relevant quote from March 20, 2004:
In Reply to: Re: Monster
Party lost enemy posted by ICEknight on March 20, 2004 at 09:45:02:

> > > Nothing too exciting, but here it
is...
> > >
> > >
 > > > I've just found this F-1 werewolf right after
the graphics for the nightmarish version of the first stage. I'm guessing
they removed it because it was too goofy and would have ruined the
atmosphere of that level.
> >

 > > I'm not sure, bit I may have
found the enemy itself, using incorrect graphics. The Game Genie code
GPAYPT will change the first enemy of the game to ID #14 (normally #02).
It looks like one of those dog enemies, but it sits perfectly still until
you come near it, at which point it starts vibrating left and right. Move
a little closer, and it drops from whatever platform it may be sitting on
and zooms around on the ground, trying to hit you. You can play around
with the code a bit to make different enemies appear; try changing the
first two letters. Enemy values above 24 seem to freeze the
game.
> >
 > > I haven't played much further than the first
level, so I don't know for sure if this enemy is actually unused or
not...its actions seemed to fit the sprite, though.
>
 >
 > That certainly doesn't sound like any enemy I've come
across in the whole game, but it's strange that the graphics don't look
properly since they're actually located between some of the other enemies
from that stage, so they should be already loaded into the VRAM. Perhaps
they're only shown correctly in the second half of the stage... or
not.
>
 > Anyway, do you know where in the ROM is that value the
code you posted is changing? It would be easier for me to hex edit the ROM
than use an emulator with GG support...

It's at $1F611 in
the ROM.

As for the graphics not loading correctly, Monster Party
uses some weird system for its sprite mappings...the data seems to be
level-specific, so enemies that don't belong in a particular level will
use mappings and animations from other enemies in the level, even if its
tiles are loaded. Either the F-1 werewolf had its sprite mappings replaced
with the dog's, or it wasn't meant to appear in the first
level.

- BMF
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Posted on 01-15-12 04:46:37 AM Link | Quote
Perhaps finding a code to change the first enemy in all the levels to replace it with that one would work.

I wonder if it would fit in with Level 8, honestly. Something like that would fit in real good there.

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Posted on 01-15-12 10:41:03 AM Link | Quote
Just mentioning here that we found this thing.
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Posted on 01-15-12 10:55:18 AM Link | Quote
Sadly, there is only one unused (AFAIK) enemy ID, #10, and its behavior does not match the race car sprite at all.

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Posted on 01-15-12 11:22:54 AM (last edited by Rick at 01-15-12 08:24 AM) Link | Quote
I actually just tried out that code, and it does indeed work as he said! It's kind of interesting, it just sort of sits there, then when you get close enough, it sits there and vibrates as a warning, then get much closer than that and it takes off and tries to hit you at high speed.

With a quick translation of that Game Genie code, you can try it out on FCEU with F601:14.

I honestly don't recall any enemy in the game doing this and I've played the game multiple times over.

BMF, have you figured out which level the possible unused enemy (ID #10) might load its graphics? Aside from that one code, I'm not sure how to go replacing other enemies in other levels.

Also, nice find on the unused controller code! Kind of a shame, it would've been nice to keep in there for us.

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Posted on 01-15-12 11:30:53 AM Link | Quote
Turns out ID #14 is the table that appears in round 6. Move along, nothing to see here.

Upon further investigation, ID #10 seems to be the splashing caused by the dead fish in round 5, but in standalone enemy form.

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