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Posted on 08-15-11 05:26:12 PM (last edited by Wack0 at 08-15-11 03:56 PM) Link | Quote
The unused strings found in sol.exe *are* debug strings (well most of them anyway). The debug sol.exe (which is in nt4 chk) has a debug menu inbetween the two regular menus, and the unused strings are the descriptions shown at the bottom of the screen when the debug menu options are selected.

Also, the source code of solitaire, winmine, reversi (taken out in win3.1, and included with early (late-1991) betas of NT) and a number of other games are included with the well-known NT4 source leak, (and out of those, all but solitaire can be compiled - I have infact compiled most of them!) and I can upload the src to all of these games, and the debug sol.exe and cards.dll.

Oh and btw, the select game number and assert failure dialog boxes are used in debug sol.exe

EDIT: http://goput.it/dt2.7z - checked/debug solitaire
http://goput.it/1l7.7z - solitaire & reversi src
http://goput.it/hsh.7z - rest of the games src
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Posted on 08-16-11 11:27:11 AM Link | Quote
Wow, that debug build of Solitaire is so awesome.

Some of the functions are a mystery to me (mainly the marquee test and that screenshot thingy) - any idea on what they do, if anything?

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Posted on 08-17-11 05:32:15 PM (last edited by Wack0 at 08-17-11 02:57 PM) Link | Quote
Let's go for the literal response here.

Looking in the src, the marquee text does nothing at all.

The 'screenshot thingy' does do something:
case idsScreenShots:
fScreenShots ^= 1;
CheckMenuItem(GetMenu(hwnd), idsScreenShots, fScreenShots ? MF_CHECKED|MF_BYCOMMAND : MF_UNCHECKED|MF_BYCOMMAND);
InvalidateRect(hwndStat, NULL, fTrue);
if(fScreenShots)
InvalidateRect(hwnd, NULL, fTrue);
break;


Also, I forgot to mention this earlier, and it seems that nobody has picked up on this, so:
The 'Heck, I don't know' text, is actually 'Hell, I don't know' in the NT4 chk sol.exe. I think it got changed in win2k, I'll have to check some win2k chk builds I have for exactly *when*.

EDIT: I've checked, and I have to say, I was not expecting the results I found..
It was changed as early as NT 5.00.1515 (the earliest build of Windows 2000 I have, from March 1997).
For reference, NT4 RTM is NT 4.00.1381, compiled August 1996.
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Posted on 08-17-11 06:10:25 PM Link | Quote
Ah, it hides the game number. I should've noticed that myself, stupid me. And yeah, I noticed how it said Hell, I don't know in NT4 while I was checking the Solitaire from NT4 for unused strings. I just never bothered to mention it... It's strange how only Solitaire has such an extensive debugging system, and none of the other MS games do...

Oh, one last thing I wanted to ask. I'd rather not try it myself, but... on the Assertion Failure dialog, does "Exit Windows" actually cause a shutdown?

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Posted on 08-17-11 07:15:14 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Liliana
It's strange how only Solitaire has such an extensive debugging system, and none of the other MS games do...


Wasn't Solitaire one of the oldest Windows games? Seems to me it came into existence with Windows 2.x or 3.x. Maybe subsequent games had the debug stuff removed.

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Posted on 08-17-11 07:19:48 PM Link | Quote
Technically Reversi is older (Windows 1, even), but it wasn't shipped from 3.1 onwards... Solitaire is the second game, introduced in 3.0, and is the oldest one that still ships with current versions of Windows. (Minesweeper was added with 3.1, FreeCell is 95, Spider is ME (I think) and the 3D Pinball is NT4))

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Posted on 08-17-11 07:27:05 PM Link | Quote
Ah. Maybe Solitaire was rushed, then? Did you check Reversi for any debug stuff?

I wonder why they ditched Reversi, actually.

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Posted on 08-17-11 07:35:21 PM Link | Quote
I looked at the source briefly and couldn't spot anything obvious.

The other applications look more interesting, especially the ones from the Windows Entertainment Pack (why they're included in the NT4 source... your guess is as good as mine). But I don't have them compiled, so I can't really tell what the debug functions do.

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Posted on 08-17-11 07:57:10 PM (last edited by Wack0 at 08-17-11 04:59 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Liliana
Oh, one last thing I wanted to ask. I'd rather not try it myself, but... on the Assertion Failure dialog, does "Exit Windows" actually cause a shutdown?


It doesn't.

Originally posted by Liliana
the 3D Pinball is from NT4.


Actually, its first appearance was with the Windows 95 Plus! pack.

Originally posted by Liliana
The other applications look more interesting, especially the ones from the Windows Entertainment Pack (why they're included in the NT4 source... your guess is as good as mine). But I don't have them compiled, so I can't really tell what the debug functions do.


I can upload the compiled versions if you want.
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Posted on 08-17-11 07:58:44 PM Link | Quote
Oh yes, if you could do that, it'd be much appreciated!

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Posted on 08-17-11 08:11:38 PM (last edited by Wack0 at 08-17-11 05:14 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Liliana
Oh yes, if you could do that, it'd be much appreciated!


Here. http://goput.it/m23.7z

And by the way, the file versions are 4.00.2006 because ntverp.h got modified.

Also, I noticed that the src for sol and reversi are in the leaked win2k SP1 src, too.
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Posted on 08-17-11 09:29:26 PM (last edited by Liliana at 08-17-11 06:39 PM) Link | Quote
Cool!

Incidentally, I found an unused options screen in the TicTactics game, and added it to the wiki. I'll add all the Solitaire stuff later...

edit: hmm, the missing icons from that Tictactics options screen are apparently in the source, but never added in the compiling process... interesting

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Posted on 08-18-11 02:20:36 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Liliana
Cool!

Incidentally, I found an unused options screen in the TicTactics game, and added it to the wiki. I'll add all the Solitaire stuff later...

edit: hmm, the missing icons from that Tictactics options screen are apparently in the source, but never added in the compiling process... interesting


someone must have not added them to the .rc
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Posted on 08-20-11 12:39:37 PM Link | Quote
Sorry for the double post but there's an error in the edits to the Solitaire article.
The debug Solitaire did not come from the NT4 source leak, it came from the checked/debug compile of NT4, that Microsoft released to MSDN subscribers at the same time as the free/retail compile.
I have similar checked versions of NT 3.1, 3.5, 3.51, and Windows 2000, not to mention some betas too.
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Posted on 08-20-11 09:14:02 PM Link | Quote
Ah, must have mixed up the facts. It's corrected now.

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Posted on 08-30-11 06:38:11 AM Link | Quote
Odd...I'm positive I had Windows 3.1 back in the day AND had Reversi...as well as Solitaire. I know this because I never fucking knew how to play the former as a kid but would try anyway xD
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Posted on 08-30-11 11:05:35 AM Link | Quote
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If you upgraded from an earlier Windows with Reversi to Windows 3.1, it'll keep Reversi. Interestingly, you can upgrade all the way up to windows 7, and it'll still have Reversi.

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Posted on 09-07-11 12:03:14 AM (last edited by xatratx at 09-09-11 10:55 AM) Link | Quote
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I'm going to be a dork, but its AWESOME that I can play Taipei and all these old games from my 3/3.1 days again XD Thank you!
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Posted on 09-22-11 12:35:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by paulguy
If you upgraded from an earlier Windows with Reversi to Windows 3.1, it'll keep Reversi. Interestingly, you can upgrade all the way up to windows 7, and it'll still have Reversi.

I only ever recall having Windows 3.1 as the earliest Windows, to be honest, though for all I know we did upgrade.
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line 642 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 652 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 678 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 692 column 15 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 692 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 692 column 58 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 692 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 692 column 101 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 692 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 692 column 144 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 692 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 693 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 693 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 693 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 693 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 719 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 747 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 747 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 747 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 756 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 761 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 149 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 741 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 744 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 211 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 213 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 215 column 479 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 239 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 283 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 285 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 287 column 904 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 311 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 313 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 339 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 341 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 341 column 598 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 365 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 367 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 393 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 395 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 397 column 621 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 421 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 457 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 459 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 459 column 342 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 483 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 515 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 517 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 521 column 596 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 545 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 577 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 605 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 607 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 607 column 340 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 631 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 657 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 683 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 709 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 735 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 293 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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