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Posted on 09-16-11 01:01:55 AM Link | Quote
Yeah, sorry. The email validation thing is some bizarre issue I haven't managed to wokr out yet, because it works fine for some people but not others.

Within a day or two I"ll hopefully have it disabled; with the reporting we should be able to keep spambots in check at least.

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Posted on 09-26-11 03:46:41 AM (last edited by Mattrizzle at 09-26-11 12:48 AM) Link | Quote
MrMark0673's details about the SNES Yoshi's Cookie prototype made me curious about what could be lurking in the final version, so I did some spelunking.

What I found is that there were two extra calls to the music loading subroutine with the title screen's music value as an argument. Tracing backwards from one of these, I found a table at $00:82E7 containing the pointer to each menu/game mode's code, indexed by RAM address $44.

Further investigation revealed that the very first byte in the ROM contains the game mode value to go to after leaving the Bullet Proof Software logo (when is anything ever this simple?). Changing this to 80 gave me the following...

<object width="305" height="254"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/dVyASiQYJj4?version=3&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="305" height="254" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
...an early version of the copyright and title screens; the latter of which is a perfect match for the last three screenshots at the page linked above!

tl;dr: Just watch the video.

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Posted on 09-26-11 04:32:35 AM Link | Quote
Do I plan on releasing the ROM?
No, I have no plans to release it.

Is it or will it be for sale?
Yup, it sure is.

Will it be cheap?
Not even remotely.


welp

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Posted on 09-26-11 05:27:02 PM Link | Quote
Someone mentioned that it might be worthwhile to check this game for unused Yoshi's Island stuff, because apparently it came out before YI yet this titlescreen has animations and such from it.


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Posted on 09-26-11 05:31:33 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Do I plan on releasing the ROM?
No, I have no plans to release it.

Is it or will it be for sale?
Yup, it sure is.

Will it be cheap?
Not even remotely.


welp


Well... consider it completely lost then.

People need to learn that an undumped prototype helps no one but the collector, while dumping it helps everyone.
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Posted on 09-26-11 05:39:42 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Mattrizzle
(when is anything ever this simple?)


Fun fact: Tetris 2 also uses the first byte of ROM as the opening screen index. It even starts from 80 like it seems to with Yoshi's Cookie, but if you use anything other than the default value then the game is silent, because the SPC driver is loaded during the copyright screen

I wonder if any other BPS games do this.

That sucks about the expensive prototype though. Here's hoping someone else is able to get their hands on it somehow.

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Posted on 09-28-11 08:36:59 PM Link | Quote
Hey, just noticed that you can scroll the background in that old title screen, by pressing L and R. How random.


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Posted on 10-02-11 02:13:17 AM Link | Quote
Perhaps they were testing out different background placements, or it could just be an Easter egg.

Originally posted by Super Salami Man
I wonder if any other BPS games do this.
Beats me. We can rule out Super Tetris 2 + Bombliss, though. They may not have followed this convention in their earliest SFC/SNES games.

What category does an unused title screen fall under, anyway? Unused game type?

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Posted on 10-02-11 05:41:26 AM Link | Quote
I would think that unless it's functionally different, it's more of an aesthetic value thing, so probably unused graphics would be my own best judgement call on that.

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Posted on 10-04-11 09:36:42 PM Link | Quote
Surprised no one noticed/mentioned that this unused title is the exact same one used in the NES/GB version, just...prettified. Kinda cool.
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Posted on 10-04-11 09:40:53 PM Link | Quote
I did mention it--in the description of the YouTube video.

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Posted on 10-12-11 12:22:47 AM Link | Quote
I have found some unused content in Microsoft Bob, for the PC. Because this is not a game, and more of a GUI, would it qualify for TCRF? It does have several games bundled with it that are not sold separately, so it might count.
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Posted on 10-12-11 01:11:47 AM (last edited by BMF54123 at 10-11-11 10:17 PM) Link | Quote
I would say no, personally. I fear that documenting stuff other than games is just opening the door to mission creep.

Documenting unused stuff in the bundled games would be fine, but not the UI itself. If you want to post any interesting stuff you've found in the UI in this forum, though, be my guest.

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Posted on 10-18-11 02:04:03 PM (last edited by Mattrizzle at 10-18-11 11:06 AM) Link | Quote
My FTP's on the fritz yet again. Time to use ImageShack!

Another discovery in Super Mario Land 2. Not only to the tiles for the top of Mario's Castle exist, but there's an unused tilemap at 0x47000 in the ROM which makes use of them.


It appears to be the top of an early version of the main map. There are a few other differences aside from the castle.
  • A tree to the right of the Pumpkin Zone entrance is in a different location, and is also missing a tile.
  • For reasons unknown, some water tiles next to the Macro Zone house's right chimney were switched around.
  • Probably the most glaring difference aside from the castle, the small end of tunnel to the right of said house has a blank tile above it. At one point, this probably had a different tile, as it reuses a tile from elsewhere (the left side of the small column things with eyes) in the final version.
  • Since the flowers(?) northeast of the castle are obscured by the dark cloud in the final version, a single set of flowers was added to the right of the tunnel mentioned above.
  • A piece of the fence(?) southwest of the castle is missing.

Here's the final version's (located at 0x37000 in the ROM) for comparison:


Perhaps only the top half exists because it was supposed to use the bottom half of the final tilemap. It wouldn't seem too farfetched for the cloud to disappear on the map after defeating Wario, as that's what happens in the ending. The developers probably didn't update the pieces because they knew they wouldn't be used. If they were, continuity problems would result unless they rendered the castle was inaccessible after completing the game (and why wouldn't Mario be able to enter his own castle?).
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Posted on 10-18-11 02:09:41 PM Link | Quote
Nice work! I was close with how the castle would look, at least.

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Posted on 10-18-11 11:25:52 PM Link | Quote
Impressive find. Just goes to show you that even after we go through games there's often still stuff that can be found.

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Posted on 10-22-11 10:18:37 AM Link | Quote
I'm curious if such a thing exists for Wario Land--as the games are based on the engine (the map format is exactly the same, iirc? as should the overworld in that case) and the instruction book makes mention to a number of now inaccessable/different locations (such as Fork Tree, which is now nothing more than a landmark/stage) ... I'm half curious if a "beta" overworld for that game exists as well. I know not much has been looked in to for said game and if I did not lack the skills to do so myself I would LOVE to tear in to that for finding hidden gems.
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Posted on 10-23-11 06:08:16 PM (last edited by Mattrizzle at 03-12-17 12:15:02 AM) Link | Quote
I tried looking for tilemaps in Wario Land using the same method as I did with SML2, but couldn't find any. They're either compressed or use a different format. I'm assuming it's the former.

Here is the method, for those interested:

I opened the ROM in TiledGGD, opened a palette file with 256 distinct colors, switched the graphics format to 8 bits per pixel, and set the width to 32 pixels. Since only 256 tiles are used in a Game Boy tilemap, this will give each a distinct color, like so:
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Posted on 10-24-11 02:51:45 AM Link | Quote
Troy Lundin over at VGMaps stumbled across these when mapping Sword of Mana for the GBA! Another user helped translate them.


Scene 088D

"Sword of Mana
On sale August 29th!
Let's meet in the Gameboy Advance!"




Scene 0891

"Sword of Mana
Now officially on sale~
Square Enix"

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Posted on 10-24-11 11:51:16 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Mattrizzle
Another discovery in Super Mario Land 2. Not only to the tiles for the top of Mario's Castle exist, but there's an unused tilemap at 0x47000 in the ROM which makes use of them.


Does the final version actually never attempt to use the tiles, or does it use them and then overwrite them with the cloud?
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line 188 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 188 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 345 column 1066 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 385 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 385 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 408 column 659 - Warning: <map> anchor "bmtsig" already defined
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line 467 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 486 column 245 - Warning: <map> anchor "bmtsig" already defined
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line 547 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 547 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 547 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 661 column 15 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 661 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 661 column 58 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 661 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 661 column 101 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 661 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 694 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 694 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 694 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 695 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 712 column 437 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 714 column 707 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 723 column 891 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 731 column 1463 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 741 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 741 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 741 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 741 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 742 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 752 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 772 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 772 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 772 column 245 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 781 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 786 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 343 column 534 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 712 column 363 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 766 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 205 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 240 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 275 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 302 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 341 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 374 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 402 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 432 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 458 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 484 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 510 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 536 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 564 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 600 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 626 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 652 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 678 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 710 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 730 column 1110 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 757 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 408 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md