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Wouldn't it all just be easiest to copy in the graphics from the US release?

Wait, if it's in German, isn't it a PAL rom? Don't PAL games usually have multiple language options? There's the possibility the English graphics exist in the rom somewhere.

Of course, I haven't looked at anything myself nor do I intend to, this is just an outside opinion.

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The Pokemon games are usually single-language releases. It has been like that since the days of Red and Blue.

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Alright...like has been suggested as a possibility, what about copying in the English text? Or are we simply afraid that we'd be overwriting text that was different before the official release?

Man I can't think of anyone that would be willing to help with a German translation. There's a couple mods on SMWC that speak German but I have doubts that they would help out. I'd have to ask SNN if it would be appropriate.

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Considering the text is translated into German anyway, I don't think slightly different text is really anything to worry about.

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Post #4310 · 09-14-11 12:25:35 AM
I doubt there's really going to be anything different from the final release. It's just the same game compiled with debug mode on.

Alternative crazy idea: disassemble the game enough that we can move chunks around nicely, insert debug stuff into English version. You'd have to disassemble all three versions (English normal, German normal, German debug) to a text format far enough that you can arbitrarily move and insert things and recompile it into a working ROM, then you can probably just use standard source code patching tools to compile an English debug version...

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Text is easy to update, just use a table file and adjust the pointer to it to some blank space. There should be about 5MB of it kicking around in the rom.

Images (unless uncompressed, then it's as simple as YY-CHR) can be changed with UNLZ.

That's really all you need to do. No need to use any of the tools from the pokcommunity, as the language is all you need to update.

(Pointers are stored in reverse, ex 0x123456 = 56341208 as a pointer)

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So, is this a bad thing or a coincidence?

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Originally posted by Peardian
So, is this a bad thing or a coincidence?

I've heard that but couldn't find the exact place it was released so I could refer to it.
It makes our task a whole lot easier because we can pretty much release the article in the state it is in. It makes it less of a "boom", though it's not likely many people have heard of it yet, so if we manage to do it IN A TIMELY MANNER, we win.

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That's what the "And a bonus" link is.

If someone wants to get all the images together I can do a mass import on the main wiki and from there it's fairly trivial to add the article, so...

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
That's what the "And a bonus" link is.

If someone wants to get all the images together I can do a mass import on the main wiki and from there it's fairly trivial to add the article, so...

http://rikorisu.shell.la:8081/private/ruby-debug-screenshots.zip

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Punting to normal TCRF forum.

This is the kind of stuff we work on behind the scenes sometimes!

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Hmm...

You may remember this menu:



Well, surprise, they actually are numbers, just odd and angular. The palette isn't really "wrong" per se, but there is an outline on the numbers you can't normally see.
This is viewable by going to VBA's Tools -> Debug menu and choosing Tile Viewer.



The 00 in the top left changes to "01" when you hit the A button, as well.

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Well, I'm glad this got sorted out as I'm absolutely against hoarding as well. That being said, should the occasion arise, just copy/paste all the english terms and repoint. its literally that simple. The Gen. 3 Pokemon games are EXTREMELY easy to hack.
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Post #4356 · 10-18-11 01:19:54 AM
I wonder what's with the layout of that menu though. Are there supposed to be labels, or is this supposed to be overlaid on something? Maybe more text that's not visible with this palette?

The outlines kinda support the idea that this was supposed to be shown overtop of some other screen too.

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line 414 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 414 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 415 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 425 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 441 column 3540 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 441 column 3540 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 452 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 452 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 452 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 452 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 453 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 463 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 472 column 549 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 472 column 549 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 480 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 480 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 480 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 480 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 481 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 491 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 501 column 565 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 507 column 902 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 516 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 517 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 517 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 517 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 517 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 528 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 543 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 543 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 543 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 543 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 554 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 572 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 572 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 572 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 581 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 586 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 245 column 363 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 278 column 5242 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 336 column 363 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 563 column 4911 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 566 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 169 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 198 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 200 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 200 column 396 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 216 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 243 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 247 column 818 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 274 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 302 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 334 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 338 column 737 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 365 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 402 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 430 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 468 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 496 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 533 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 559 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 334 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md