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Posted on 10-28-07 04:02:39 PM

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Robin Prosser, a Missoula woman who struggled for a quarter century to live with the pain of an immunosuppressive disorder, tried years ago to kill herself. Last week, she tried again. This time, she succeeded.

After her earlier attempt failed, Prosser wound up in even more trouble after investigating police found marijuana in her home. She used the marijuana to help cope with pain.

That marijuana charge was eventually dropped in an agreement with the city of Missoula, and Prosser had reason to rejoice in 2004 when Montanans passed a law allowing medical use of the drug.
She was a high-profile campaigner for the Montana Medical Marijuana Act, and like others, she was dismayed when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that drug agents could still arrest sick people using marijuana, even in states that legalized its use.

The ruling came to haunt Prosser in late March, when DEA agents seized less than a half ounce of marijuana sent to her by her registered caregiver in Flathead County.

At the time, the DEA special agent in charge of the Rocky Mountain Field Division said federal agents were “protecting people from their own state laws” by seizing such shipments.

“I feel immensely let down,” Prosser would write a few months later, in a guest opinion for the Billings Gazette published July 28. “I have no safety, no protection, no help just to survive in a little less pain. I can't even get a job due to my medical marijuana use - can't pass a drug test.”

Federal prosecutors declined to charge Prosser, but fear spread through the system of marijuana distribution set up in the wake of the medical marijuana act. Friends said Prosser turned to other sources for marijuana, but found problems nearly everywhere she turned.

“Most recently, she had found some people who said they could get her what she needed, but it didn't go well,” said her friend Jane Byard.

Without the relief that marijuana delivered to her, Robin Prosser killed herself at home last week. She was 50.

Prosser suffered from an autoimmune disease that gave her allergic and dangerous reactions to most pharmaceutical painkillers. So she turned to marijuana. When that was no longer available she had no where else to turn.

“She just said she couldn't take it all anymore,” Byard said.

In her guest opinion, Prosser wrote that: “I'm 50 years old, low-income and sick. I spend most days in my apartment in bed, with no air conditioning, unable to go outside because I can't tolerate the sun.”

Beset by financial problems, troubled by depression, unable to find a reliable source of pain relief, she took her own life three months after the piece was published.

“Give me liberty or give me death,” she wrote in July. “Maybe the next campaign ought to be for assisted-suicide laws in our state. If they will not allow me to live in peace, and a little less pain, would they help me to die, humanely?”

Before being disabled by her disease, Prosser was a concert pianist and a systems analyst. After the disease hit her, she became a tireless advocate for legalized use of marijuana in medical situations.

“She had so many difficulties, but she was a wonderful person,” Byard said. “She was kind and funny and just as smart as a whip. She was a very good friend to me, and it's a very sad story what happened to her.”

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Posted on 10-28-07 05:46:03 PM

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Posted on 10-28-07 05:50:17 PM; last edit by carcat on 10-28-07 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kles
Drug prohibition is vile and will ultimately fail, just like alcohol prohibition did.

Well....It might be a matter of Time and Enforcement.

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Posted on 10-28-07 06:36:14 PM

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The main reason why pot is not legalized is pot is hard to control. One seed + field + time = pot plantation. Compared to alcohol which the process fermantation of hops, wheat, corn, and grapes.

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Posted on 10-28-07 07:14:15 PM

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I'm actually suprised pot is still illegal. I know several people (one "real", one internet) who use it, and I've never seen any sort of harmful side effect -- such as being enraged/illogical, sick, or other things... -- just, well, ... "out". (Laid back/mellow/relaxed/content).

I say this because my own father used it quite often, and it was the only time he was really tolerable. It also helped keep his blood pressure down

I used to be against this thing because I was uninformed and "brainwashed" -- the typical "all drugs are bad, stay away" -- but after seeing what it does generally... who cares?

As long as it isn't interfering with other parts of life, such as going to work whlie high, who cares?

My Psycology 101 teacher expressed similar thoughts about Ectasy... it was illegalized several years ago (decades), and amusingly all the "bad" side effects of it can be mostly linked to the crap added to the pills on the black market now

......

In short: It's very, very sad that this happened, and it's even more despicable that the DEA can seize it even when it's being used legally.

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Posted on 10-28-07 10:13:47 PM

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10-28-07 04:13:47 PM ??? posts 117 days
Why not legalize it, regulate it ala Tobacco, tax it, and use it to shore up the country's budget? That's a win-win situation, with it being a universal loss to illegal distributors (unless they can compete with gigantic corporations) ____________________
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Posted on 10-29-07 12:29:01 AM

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It's always so hard for me to really get my head around this topic, put things into words.

I do not think that marijuana should be illegal. The story is just one example of why.

Like the woman in the story, I smoke marijuana on occasion for pain relief. Two years ago I had my right ovary removed after it developed a large cyst. Since then I have been experiencing frequent pains—the doctors have prescribed some painkillers but they are addictive and I do not like to use them.

When it is not too bad, I will simply take ibuprofen; but I am not always that lucky.

Recreationally, I don't think it's too bad, although I have seen people abuse it... although there are people who will abuse anything really, I guess.

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Posted on 10-29-07 02:00:55 AM; last edit by HyperHacker on 10-29-07 02:01 AM

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You can kill yourself by ODing on prescription or off-the-shelf drugs too.

It's illegal because they can't charge for it. That is all.

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Posted on 10-29-07 02:38:21 AM

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Originally posted by HyperHacker
You can kill yourself by ODing on prescription or off-the-shelf drugs too. It's illegal because they can't charge for it. That is all.

Yep, you can kill yourself very easily with Paracetamol / Acetaminophen indeed. And some of the other stuff I am prescribed is quite addictive, disorders my thinking and in general mentally dulls me too.

Marijuana also disorders my thinking and makes me mentally dull, but to a lesser extent and it seems also with less associated risks.

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Posted on 10-29-07 02:50:54 AM; last edit by Komachi Onozuka on 10-29-07 02:52 AM

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So when will smoking within 1000 yards of the nearest child be considered reckless endangerment...?

EDIT: Before I forget, there was 19 months when Arkansas had Mary Jane legal. Not much was done differently. Food for thought.

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Posted on 10-29-07 04:34:07 AM

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...I just saw an anti-pot commercial on the TV while reading this, what a coincidence.

Honestly, I almost have more of a problem is cigarettes than pot.

Probably just because it's around more, but smoking tobacco seems to be more addictive..

I'm for legalization for it, mostly for the medical effects, and the fact that it seems about of potent as alcohol, and I've never heard of a person that's angry when high.

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Posted on 10-29-07 04:37:41 AM

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	Originally posted by Jedpossum The main reason why pot is not legalized is pot is hard to control. One seed + field + time = pot plantation. Compared to alcohol which the process fermantation of hops, wheat, corn, and grapes. Why does it need to be controlled? It doesn't hurt anyone, and hemp has a HUGE amount of uses; not just getting high. It's a plant that could help save the world, and yet it's illegal in most places. Unbelievable. ____________________ ああああああああああぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁ

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Posted on 10-29-07 04:38:27 AM

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Originally posted by Silly Shadic
...I just saw an anti-pot commercial on the TV while reading this, what a coincidence.

Honestly, I almost have more of a problem is cigarettes than pot. Probably just because it's around more, but smoking tobacco seems to be more addictive..

I'm for legalization for it, mostly for the medical effects, and the fact that it seems about of potent as alcohol, and I've never heard of a person that's angry when high.

Friend:
"I've seen alcohol ruin families, but I've seen families that smoke together that are doing wonderfully."

More often than not, when I hear of drunks or alcohol, it usually escalates into violence. (shrug)

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Posted on 10-29-07 05:36:56 AM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
Friend:
"I've seen alcohol ruin families, but I've seen families that smoke together that are doing wonderfully."

More often than not, when I hear of drunks or alcohol, it usually escalates into violence. (shrug)

It doesn't always escalate into violence -- but it can depend upon the person who is drinking. I am not a violent drunk. I am a clumsy, silly drunk that gets very talky, before falling onto my behind, and then pretending like I didn't fall over, it was on purpose, really...

There are some people who become angry or violent drunks, but not everyone. But yes, the chances of people who are drinking alcohol getting in a fight seems much higher than stoners getting into a fight.

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Posted on 10-29-07 05:39:16 AM

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Yeah, that's a mistake on my part. I should've said, alcohol seems to create a tendancy towards violence/depression. Naturally, these effects aren't true for everyone, but as a generalization it seems to fit.

I knew I was forgetting something

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Posted on 10-29-07 06:55:13 AM

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	I have never used drugs and I never will be using them. Actually, normal cigarette is far more toxic and addictive than marijuana. The only reason cigarettes are still out on the market is because of history. If tobacco would have been discovered now, it would be banned and people would be smoking marijuana instead (and maybe they would be more healthier). ____________________ kawlkawlkawlkawlkawlkawl aaaagh it hurts

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Posted on 10-29-07 07:28:37 AM

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Originally posted by Kaze Kawl
I have never used drugs and I never will be using them.

Ever? Any drugs?

You make me laugh.

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Posted on 10-29-07 07:31:07 AM

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Originally posted by Kaze Kawl
I have never used drugs and I never will be using them.

You've probably already violated that several times. Caffiene is a drug, by the way.

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Posted on 10-29-07 07:32:04 AM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
Originally posted by Kaze Kawl
I have never used drugs and I never will be using them.

You've probably already violated that several times. Caffiene is a drug, by the way.

Caffeine is a nice drug. I am going to partake of much caffeine tomorrow morning. It will be wonderful.