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| Xkeeper Level: 263      Posts: 19099/25343 EXP: 296722881 For next: 2237572 Since: 07-03-07 Pronouns: they/them/???????? Since last post: 9 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Guess someone should look into this |
| Raccoon Sam Member free speech disabled Level: 32 Posts: 116/187 EXP: 187685 For next: 18757 Since: 07-25-07 From: Somewhat Since last post: 4.4 years Last activity: 1.0 years |
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Originally posted by Xkeeper That... is really interesting..! |
| Fuzn Member Level: 23  Posts: 9/97 EXP: 61008 For next: 6715 Since: 02-23-11 Since last post: 317 days Last activity: 317 days |
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 This is the thing that's loaded into VRAM for all of the HUD graphics in the original Armored Core. It's a layered image, certain bits are colored certain ways to produce up to 4 different results:     Everything but the radar display (the square graphic, it's used when you have no radar available) from the second image on is unused. This makes me think that the contents of Project Phantasma and Master of Arena were originally supposed to be in Armored Core from the get-go. |
| sharc Random nobody Level: 7 Posts: 1/6 EXP: 923 For next: 525 Since: 07-01-11 Since last post: 9.9 years Last activity: 3.7 years |
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| i don't really understand all the technical angles here, so forgive me if i'm saying something dumb. i did spend a staggering amount of time playing armored core, though, and all the win/loose ready/go/draw/time up text is from its two-player vs mode. the smaller set in ac1hudset2.png are for splitscreen matches, and the larger versions in 3 and 4 are used in linked matches. kind of silly they made two different win/loose notices - or two different-sized sets at all, since it displays across the whole screen in either case - but there you go. probably simpler to have all possible hud elements loaded together like that than would be to tempt bugs and make separate sets for single player and versus. |
| metalman User Level: 8  Posts: 2/10 EXP: 1995 For next: 192 Since: 05-30-11 Since last post: 6.4 years Last activity: 6.4 years |
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| In Namco x Capcom, there are three dialogue images that resemble the Crystal Rods from the Tower of Druaga, but I didn't saw them anywhere in the game. Are they unused? The Blue Crystal Rod is Ki's weapon and is mentioned in a the descriptions of Druaga and the 3 dragons, but when searching for them in dialogues (from the fan English translation) it is mentioned only once in Chapter 30 if Valkyrie is in the battle, but the image isn't used in this event. Same with the curry (Bistro Curry?) and dice (not from the mini-game) images. Also, when looking for the rods in the English script, I noticed a character list with two enemies not present in the game, including battle and overworld sprites. I took a look around the web for info, and a Japanese site has info to modify units (with save data?). The unused enemies are: 3 Fygar varieties (ファイガー , "Fygar the Great", and "King Fygar") from Dig Dug and Mr. Driller series (47, 48, 49) Two Honorians (ホノーリアン, presumably 1 red and 1 blue) from the Valkyrie series (6B, 6C) 3 Wooky varieties (ウーキー and 2 varieties called "Wooky L" and "Wooky R" said to have Laser and Rocket launcher. Maybe his recolors Eddy and Dick?) from Captain Commando (A4, A5, A6) Bei Pooh and Sai Pooh (北風, 西風 ) from the Strider series (B1, B2) Ice Horokko (アイスホロッコ ) from Mega Man Legends 2 (D6) And another Velociraptor (presumably the unused portrait color in the wiki) (E0) Can someone check those? EDIT: Looking more into the English script, it has 5 epilogues and 47 chapters, showing that the original Chapters 44 and 45 were cut. What is their original Japanese name? Judging by their short translations I think they are related to the Druaga and Valkyrie events from Chapter 43. Also, the ghost character Monmotaro (もんもたろー ) from Shadow Land has her name in both English script and the Japanese site above (0A 01), and she has overworld sprites and dialogue portraits, but in the game she only appears in Tarosuke's attacks. I'm also curious of who/what is present in Doppel (AA 00) and ??? (4A 01). ____________________  |
| Fuzn Member Level: 23 Posts: 10/97 EXP: 61008 For next: 6715 Since: 02-23-11 Since last post: 317 days Last activity: 317 days |
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I hate to randomly bump in, but, I was digging around in X6 again, and I think I got an idea where those Shadow Armor charge shot poses came from. These are frames ONLY used by the Shadow Armor, which also completely covers up these sprites. These frames, regardless, exist in VRAM. A similar set of frames exist for the Blade and Falcon armors, regular X layered underneath his armor.  But in X5, Capcom had made it so the only bits of X that would be "underneath" simply did not exist. What you see here is literally how X's sprite is in memory, with a composite just for the sake of how it looks put together. Notably, Capcom didn't do this for the Fourth\Ultimate Armors, which retain their unarmored sprites underneath. In addition, the Fourth Armor's Giga Attack is still in the game's memory, it's just been disabled. It can be called by glitching out the game, making it read the Fourth Armor's graphics data but the Ultimate Armor's "skillset".  And here, X's Falcon Armor is even subject to this weirdness. By all accounts, the Falcon Armor should've been the exact same as it was in X5, since it shared the same poses. But regardless, Capcom made new unarmored frames for X in poses the Falcon Armor in X6 would never use. I got lucky and glitched these frames out (Falcon Armor graphics, Blade Armor skillset) I also noted that, while ripping these from VRAM, there were 6 duplicates of X's X4 palette loaded, though they are never used. It may have been part of a new Armor parts handling method. In X4, the Fourth\Ultimate Armor always had unarmored sprites underneath, probably just in case. It also had an Arm part that had a different palette from the rest of the armor that you could acquire, that also had it's own unique abilities. Therefore, I speculate that these unused frames were originally intended to be part of a new Armor system: Swapping out parts at will. The duplicates could've easily been used for the palettes for the separate armor pieces. Though, if the above is true, it was either cut for three reasons:1. Too difficult to code in properly - 2: Time restrictions - 3: Too difficult to code within time restrictions. X6 was so rushed that the intro stage gained a new instrument on the international releases. |
| Mammal User Level: 10 Posts: 3/16 EXP: 4078 For next: 336 Since: 03-11-11 Since last post: 5.8 years Last activity: 5.8 years |
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Originally posted by FuznAre you sure you aren't thinking of the prototype? |
| Fuzn Member Level: 23 Posts: 11/97 EXP: 61008 For next: 6715 Since: 02-23-11 Since last post: 317 days Last activity: 317 days |
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| No, the Japanese and US releases. The Prototype version's intro stage music was unfinished altogether. Here's a YouTube upload of the intro stage music from the official OST, and was the version of the song that X6 owners in the US and EU got. The difference is a guitar track added in the latter. |
Peardian Magikoopa 16/3/1: KvSG #479 is up! Level: 157  Posts: 4999/7597 EXP: 48563024 For next: 1016209 Since: 08-02-07 From: Isle Delfino Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Vinnyboiler Catgirl Level: 66  Posts: 808/1044 EXP: 2439891 For next: 21960 Since: 12-27-07 From: London, England Since last post: 7 days Last activity: 3 days |
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This is one of the better pics I found of Bianco Hills, There are others at Unseen64 and Mario Wiki but not that many covering the changed area.  ____________________  `ท.,ธ,.ท*ฏ`ท.,ธ,.ท*ฏ[;::;(^ᴥ^ญญญญญญญญญญญ) What the heck is this thing. It looks like a love child between a Wii remote and a bottom part of a DS ~ My mind `ท.,ธ,.ท*ฏ`ท.,ธ,.ท*ฏ[;::;(^ᴥ^ญญญญญญญญญญญ) |
| Peardian Magikoopa 16/3/1: KvSG #479 is up! Level: 157 Posts: 5002/7597 EXP: 48563024 For next: 1016209 Since: 08-02-07 From: Isle Delfino Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 9 hours |
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Tanks 360? Yessum. Level: 121  Posts: 4135/4170 EXP: 19792440 For next: 264256 Since: 07-10-07 From: VA Since last post: 9.5 years Last activity: 9.5 years |
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| Aeonic Butterfly 200  Level: 32 Posts: 26/207 EXP: 191526 For next: 14916 Since: 12-27-10 From: Ridgecrest, CA Since last post: 4.4 years Last activity: 4.4 years |
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Originally posted by Xkeeper Speculation, but it's kind of weird how Nidoking (Maiko here) has a specific Male symbol, when only the Nidorans use it in the final game. Maybe the picture is from when genders were still relevant? |
| Peardian Magikoopa 16/3/1: KvSG #479 is up! Level: 157 Posts: 5041/7597 EXP: 48563024 For next: 1016209 Since: 08-02-07 From: Isle Delfino Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 9 hours |
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devin Yoshi i'm mima irl Level: 112  Posts: 2217/3519 EXP: 14919046 For next: 419159 Since: 04-29-08 Pronouns: any From: FL Since last post: 297 days Last activity: 1 day |
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In Donkey Kong Country 3, level id 00 is a duplicate of Doorstop Dash (id 0x28) that's almost completely empty except for a single lever near where the first door is supposed to be. It also uses different music. Enter a level with the PAR code 7E00C000 to see it.
%20%5b!%5d000.png) Being that there is only one object in the entire level, it's impossible to get very far without cheating since the platform here is missing. %20%5b!%5d001.png) Also, the level seems to have slightly larger boundaries than usual, which enables you to go slightly farther to the left from the starting point and jump up to get stuck above the ceiling somehow: %20%5b!%5d002.png) There is a similar "empty duplicate level 00" in DKC2. ____________________  Photo by Luc Viatour |
| devin Yoshi i'm mima irl Level: 112 Posts: 2223/3519 EXP: 14919046 For next: 419159 Since: 04-29-08 Pronouns: any From: FL Since last post: 297 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Another one - level id 0x14 is a dupe of whatever this level is called
%20%5b!%5d003.png) %20%5b!%5d004.png) These two screenshots show pretty much all the objects in this level except one or two, everything after that is blank. It's possible to actually reach the end of the level this time, but with no exit flagpole it's not possible to actually complete. I'm curious about these - are they actual legitimate duplicate levels or is the game somehow loading invalid level headers (or something) in a way that makes this occasionally happen? So far there are two such known levels for DKC3 and one for DKC2. ____________________ Photo by Luc Viatour |
| felineki Member Level: 16 Posts: 23/44 EXP: 18977 For next: 1279 Since: 09-26-10 Since last post: 5.6 years Last activity: 7.3 years |
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 Unused alternate dash animation for Pyron in VH. When I first saw the tiles I thought it would be a projectile of some sort. |
| Mattrizzle 150 Level: 29  Posts: 69/151 EXP: 136159 For next: 11726 Since: 07-27-07 From: United States Since last post: 19 days Last activity: 18 days |
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Originally posted by Cool TimpaniThis duplicate of Bobbing Barrel Brawl is used in one of the in-game demos, where only the portion of the level containing the objects in your screenshots are shown. It's a mystery why they didn't use 0x34 instead, though. As for 0x00, DKC also has a duplicate level with that ID (of Jungle Hijinxs, but with Reptile Rumble's object map). ____________________ 
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| Rena I had one (1) message in Discord deleted and proceeded to make a huge, huge mess about how it was a violation of free speech and how moderators are supposed to be spam janitors and nobody should have the right to tell me not to talk about school shootings Level: 135 Posts: 4239/5390 EXP: 29051739 For next: 283266 Since: 07-22-07 Pronouns: he/him/whatever From: RSP Segment 6 Since last post: 333 days Last activity: 333 days |
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Post #4239 · 07-25-11 04:32:02 AM
00 could just be random crap, but you'd have to look at how the level headers work to be sure.Rare does seem to like using incomplete copies of levels instead of the full level for certain events. Diddy Kong Racing has a few empty/incomplete duplicates of boss/hub levels used during cutscenes. I don't know why those were necessary... ____________________ |
| Vinnyboiler Catgirl Level: 66 Posts: 818/1044 EXP: 2439891 For next: 21960 Since: 12-27-07 From: London, England Since last post: 7 days Last activity: 3 days |
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I just noticed that Yoshi has unused blinking sprites -   (for the first image only this sprite - is unused, the other half is used in the ending). They are located by the jumping Yoshi sprites (the ones in the credits).Edit: I forgot to mention that this is from Super Mario World. ____________________ `ท.,ธ,.ท*ฏ`ท.,ธ,.ท*ฏ[;::;(^ᴥ^ญญญญญญญญญญญ) What the heck is this thing. It looks like a love child between a Wii remote and a bottom part of a DS ~ My mind `ท.,ธ,.ท*ฏ`ท.,ธ,.ท*ฏ[;::;(^ᴥ^ญญญญญญญญญญญ) |
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