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Posted on 08-17-07 07:29:41 PM (last edited by VL-Tone at 09-23-08 01:25 AM) Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Jon
Hmm i never really thought about editing water, anyway nice job im sorry to hear what happened at your office, i haven't really been online in a while


Hi Jon, long time no see, welcome to the forum. About that thing at my workplace, I got over it... It wasn't that bad, nobody died or anything.

Anyway let's get back to the topic

I'll try to implement water areas editing in the next version, or maybe the one just after. Also, I'm gonna try to find where the "hazy haze" is, but it's probably put there using the same command.

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Posted on 08-19-07 03:02:44 PM Link | Quote
Will you be able to put water anyware or just change its params or what not?

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Posted on 08-19-07 03:08:41 PM Link | Quote
Also, what about the fog in Jolly Roger Bay?

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Posted on 08-19-07 03:15:53 PM Link | Quote
I think he said its the same command

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Posted on 09-22-07 03:55:17 PM Link | Quote

Hey, just thought of something-

What about the water in snow man's land?

You can swim in it, but it can't heal you, and you slowly loose health in it.

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or the ice by the ice bully- it acts like lava but mario says "ha ha ha ha haaaa" in stead of "hot hot hot hot hot"
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Posted on 10-09-07 06:18:23 PM Link | Quote
The swimming defines a rectangle and a height.

00 00] [F8 01] [0A CD] [07 9A] [13 CD] [EE CE]

[0,1] - The ID of the water polygons that goes with this swimming box
[2,3] – Left Position
[4,5] – Top Position
[6,7] – Right Position
[8,9] – Bottom Position
[10,11] – Y Position of the rectangle.

The water polygons are one of the things loaded with the 0x18 geometry command.

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Originally posted by rstewart215804
The swimming defines a rectangle and a height.

00 00] [F8 01] [0A CD] [07 9A] [13 CD] [EE CE]

[0,1] - The ID of the water polygons that goes with this swimming box
[2,3] – Left Position
[4,5] – Top Position
[6,7] – Right Position
[8,9] – Bottom Position
[10,11] – Y Position of the rectangle.

The water polygons are one of the things loaded with the 0x18 geometry command.


Wow, I didn't post very much these last days, and I missed that post from you rstewart215804. Very useful stuff. I'll implement it in the next version.

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Now with the Flatworld template, I think it is a good idea to bring out this topic again. I'm still very confused about this, but the idea to *FLOOD* Flatworld and make a few islands with 0x24 objects make me eager to learn.

rstewart, what do you mean by 0x18 geometry command? Could you give some example?
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Originally posted by blakerobinson2u
or the ice by the ice bully- it acts like lava but mario says "ha ha ha ha haaaa" in stead of "hot hot hot hot hot"

And even the regular lava it's self? We know a bit about regular water, but what about the water where you loose health, the lava, and the super cold "ice-lava"
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Posted on 04-26-08 01:29:45 AM Link | Quote
dont forget about the hazy maze "Haze" in the toxic maze. also, we should try generating lava, water, and haze to flatworld

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What happens if you enable flat world but in Dire, Dire Docks or other water levels?.
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Posted on 04-26-08 11:11:50 PM (last edited by messiaen at 04-26-08 08:12 PM) Link | Quote
There is no such thing as "Enabling Flatworld" in specific levels. Flatwold *IS* a level, just like all the others in the game. If you mean erasing the terrain/collision and replacing it with the flatworld plane, there is no reason for doing this, Flatworld is already there for you!

Also, maybe you are missing that one of the main points of Flatworld, which is the linear, edit-friendly data. If you had the Flatworld terrain in another level, still the level commands/layouts would be very messy.

Back on topic, I tried the obvious, that is, inserting one of these 0x44 commands in Flatworld. From what I gather, this is just a special kind of collision command. I inserted it right after the end of the 0x40 triangles, and it crashed the level.

It is still somewhat misterious to me how these very simple commands cover a lot of area, are the bytes 2-11 just coordinates or do they point to vertexes loaded before by a 0x40 command? Or do they have the effect of flooding everything below the "Y" level set?
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Posted on 04-27-08 05:23:34 PM Link | Quote
I still dont get what makes flatworld "edit-friendly." Everything uses the same game coding, what makes flatword's coding different?
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I Got water in flatworld Now I need the polygon, but when I try to put it in, the ROM crashes, Any Ideas???

Here is a screen:



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Nice .

The polygon part will be a bit harder. As rstewart said a few messages ago, they are loaded with the 0x18 command in the level terrain Geo Layout. For instance, there are the 0x18 commands in the Castle Grounds, starting at offset 0x454DB4:

1800 0000 802D 01E0 -> This one is shared by other levels. I can't notice any different upon removing it.
1800 1601 802D 1B70 -> Waterfall polygons
1800 1601 802D 104C -> Main water area (under the bridge and near the start area)

These are pointers to ASM data. My guess is that the water polygons are in the middle of the 0x07 bank of a specific level, but they get called indirectly by that ASM data, instead of the usual 0x15 command.

Perhaps a close look at the polygons of semi-transparent objects (I'm thinking of the Boo enemy) will help us creating a more portable kind of water polygons.

It's been a long time since I last looked at this thread, but what was your approach to create the water box in Flatworld? A "water" 0x24 object would be interesting!
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I just thought i wanted to try to put water in flatworld. I may put an island (made from custom vertexes). I will keep trying to put in the water polygon. It would be great to have a 0x24 water polygon in platform battlefield though

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I used a bit the script dumper and looked at some of the functions called the 0x18 Geo Layout command.

I think I got some pointers for polygon data, all of them in Bank 0x07:


Castle Grounds - 0x11750 = Waterfall
Lethal Lava Land - 0x286BC = Lava
0x28790 = Lava area2


I see some 0xBF triangle commands in these areas, however the other data doesn't seem RSP commands.
These pointers are loaded from the Checksum area (the waterfall is at 0xEBFDC and the lava pointers are nearby pointers, including the lava ones).

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Good work; it makes sense why this was considered tricky, 'Geeky stuff' back when. Now it should be considered the norm, of course. :p

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With the script dumper, I could try to make the water polygon now in a giant tank I made with the vertex hacking. Also, do you know the other commands for the lava, haze, cold water, etc.

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line 270 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 270 column 58 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 270 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 270 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 270 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 270 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 270 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 270 column 273 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 270 column 316 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 270 column 316 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 270 column 359 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 589 column 97 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 589 column 97 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 619 column 78 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 619 column 78 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 657 column 305 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 657 column 305 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 701 column 17 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 701 column 60 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 701 column 60 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 701 column 103 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 701 column 103 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 701 column 146 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 701 column 146 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 701 column 189 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 701 column 189 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 701 column 232 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 701 column 232 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 701 column 275 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 701 column 275 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 701 column 318 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 701 column 318 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 701 column 361 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 701 column 361 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 720 column 1515 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 720 column 1725 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 720 column 1813 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 720 column 2057 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 720 column 2458 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 720 column 2647 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 728 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 728 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 728 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 739 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 755 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 755 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 755 column 244 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 764 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 769 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 179 column 1511 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 384 column 1511 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 749 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 179 column 157 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 179 column 222 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 179 column 318 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 179 column 408 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 179 column 488 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 179 column 1443 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 209 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 235 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 261 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 287 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 319 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 345 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 382 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 384 column 157 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 384 column 222 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 384 column 318 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 384 column 408 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 384 column 488 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 384 column 1443 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 421 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 450 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 477 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 503 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 529 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 561 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 587 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 617 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 655 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 681 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 718 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 720 column 1594 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 720 column 1894 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 720 column 2147 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 720 column 2539 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 744 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 393 warnings and 4 errors!

The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md