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Posted on 03-03-11 01:35:28 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by rabidabid
Originally posted by Teflon
Originally posted by rabidabid
Question 2: Is it worth creating a page just for regional differences if there's a decent amount?

I've seen people use subpages to deal with regional differences.


I mean like a whole new page for a whole new game. :x


I don't see why regional differences would need it's own page, unless it was really big. I'm guessing the idea is to prevent regional differences from clogging up the main page, but that's usually not an issue.

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Posted on 03-03-11 01:37:11 AM Link | Quote
The Phantasy Star II page started off as nothing more than Virtual Console differences, so I guess it's alright to make a page just for version differences. More stuff could get added on later, after all...

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Posted on 03-03-11 01:38:27 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Imajin
The Phantasy Star II page started off as nothing more than Virtual Console differences, so I guess it's alright to make a page just for version differences. More stuff could get added on later, after all...


Agreed. You really don't need to know about everything that's unused or changed in a game in order to make a page about it. A few regional differences to start a page off is fine with me.

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Posted on 03-05-11 11:07:13 AM Link | Quote
Due to the frequent spam problem, I think an approval process for joining the Wiki is necessary.
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Posted on 03-05-11 12:39:33 PM Link | Quote
That will just turn away potential contributors.

I have posted on the todo list what is necessary. It just needs someone to care.

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Posted on 03-05-11 07:51:28 PM Link | Quote
It surprised me we've had so many, recently, though. Usually, they just seem to run in groups of three, and then lay low for a short period of time. Do the 'groups' all post from the same IP, roughly? (I've wondered if zombie spambots post to blogs and wikis (etc.) for a while now, as well...)
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Posted on 03-07-11 01:01:24 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by oaa
Due to the frequent spam problem, I think an approval process for joining the Wiki is necessary.

Just put the entire Wikipedia article on the Tienanmen Square Massacre on the registration page.

Or a Captcha. Whatever.
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Posted on 03-07-11 02:58:57 PM (last edited by Rick at 03-07-11 11:59 AM) Link | Quote
I can't remember who brought it up, but I think that making a delay before someone adds a page or can contribute after signing up was a great idea. It's a quick fix, and the spambots are only posting one page each, so it would be easy to block their spam and not have to worry much about them.

Someone said a five minute delay, which is fine, but what about a two or three minute wait too? We can just call it the "verification" delay or something.

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Posted on 03-07-11 07:45:18 PM Link | Quote
I don't know... I'd be for the idea if it definitely does deter the spammers/bots (including the current flood of idiots, of course), even considering I do somewhat like the idea that you can just sign up and start editing right away.

But, I do know that the spammers and/or bots are willing to wait. I encountered one recently, elsewhere, that waited eight months after they'd created a user account to make their one-and-only spam post.

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Posted on 03-07-11 08:01:08 PM Link | Quote
Well if it does that, fine. However, I say we test out having an editing hold-off for a few minutes to see if that deters the spambots from doing this. They've been coming in mass quantities and I'm getting really fuckin' irritated about it.

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Posted on 03-07-11 08:09:54 PM Link | Quote
Same here. Anyone else like the idea of testing a 3-5 minute delay (or more)?

I'd definitely like to see if it helps.
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Posted on 03-07-11 09:27:55 PM Link | Quote
Would a delay break their spam script, or would they still be able to spam after the delay is over?

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Posted on 03-08-11 02:21:23 AM Link | Quote
Preferably, if a user attempts to make any changes within that time period, they're automatically banned. This would be stated in VERY LARGE LETTERS on the registration page, of course.

(this would also ban people who can't read as a nice bonus )

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Posted on 03-08-11 02:37:22 AM Link | Quote
I approve of this! Go for it, Mr. BMF! You got my vote.

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Posted on 03-08-11 03:03:40 AM Link | Quote


Originally posted by Waffle Ryebread
(this would also ban people who can't read as a nice bonus )


And I do believe we found the perfect plan!

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Posted on 03-08-11 04:19:06 AM Link | Quote
I added the first step (of a multi-step plan, each one more restrictive than the last) to get rid of the issue.

E-mail features had been disabled on the wiki originally, when it was just a test set up to get ready; they were never actually re-enabled.

Hence, you now require a valid email address (and verification) to register. If you are already registered, you only need the e-mail address, since you've been auto-confirmed.

This should cut down on the spam amount drastically.

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Posted on 03-08-11 04:26:14 AM Link | Quote
Thank you Xkeeper!

I'm so happy I could give you a great big hug right now. ;-;

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Posted on 03-08-11 04:36:13 AM Link | Quote
Note that you should still confirm your email address, as you can now enable some mailing features!

Sorry it took so long to set up, I ended up having to install a new mail server

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Posted on 03-08-11 05:11:21 PM (last edited by WarioBarker at 03-08-11 02:17 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gig
you now require a valid email address (and verification) to register. If you are already registered, you only need the e-mail address, since you've been auto-confirmed.

I've entered my email address and saved. It says I'll get a confirmation email, but it never actually gets sent.

Does the automatic system have something against AOL? I've tried entering an all-lowercase version of the same email address and clicking on "send a confirmation email" several times each. It's not in "Old Mail", it isn't in the Spam folder, it's not in my alternate AOL account, and I even deleted the cookies TCRF stores on my computer and signed back in.

Nothing works.

And I was auto-confirmed before this, so it shouldn't be happening at all.

Originally posted by Gig
I ended up having to install a new mail server

Well, I'm thinking it's got a fault.

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Posted on 03-08-11 05:59:32 PM (last edited by Tauwasser at 03-08-11 02:59 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by WarioBarker
Does the automatic system have something against AOL?


Worked fine for me yesterday. Also, since AOL immediately outs you as a nut-case, consider changing to a more reasonable mail probider! I know forums that ban people with AOL IPs from viewing them

cYa,

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line 407 column 310 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 744 column 245 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 753 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 758 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 738 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 209 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 235 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 263 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 289 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 291 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 293 column 423 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 320 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 348 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 377 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 405 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 435 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 571 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 689 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 727 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 366 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md