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Gabu

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Posted on 01-31-11 09:58:19 PM Link | Quote
Basically, there are shitty artists out there. An obvious statement. And yet, some of these terrible artists are somehow popular and those who are actually trying to become artist wish to jump off a bridge because of this insanity.

My eyes are currently locked on this girl. Frankly, her art is terrible, and Auxiliatrix agrees. We've even criticized her on this, and... well...

And I won't judge an artist if they can give well thought-out reasons for why their art looks bad (like an advant garde artist), because they are making the conscious decision to make purposefully bad art (which could imply that they know the basics of art well enough and may be good artists if they weren't doing bad art purposefully). I can even understand a novice artist who wants to do better, since they know they don't have some things down, but are willing to take the time to learn.

But bad artists who don't care and won't improve and give real artists headaches? Well, I guess this can be a cathartic topic to discuss them.

Plus I am an optimist in trying to change people's views, so if we can also change these aspiring artists for the better, I'm gung-ho with it.

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Posted on 01-31-11 10:03:27 PM Link | Quote

The worst part is that I know a lot of much better artists (myself included) who are nowhere near as popular as this girl. (She has twice as many watchers as me!)

I can understand people who just aren't good at art but are trying their best, but she doesn't even seem to want to improve, and that's what pisses me off.

On that note, get a load of this hornses ass. (He used to cyberstalk me, but I'm not linking to him because of that--I'm linking to him because his art is fucking abysmal and he hasn't improved one bit since he was, like, 15.)

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Posted on 01-31-11 10:50:32 PM Link | Quote
Well apparently we're jerks and trolls to her and her friends now. XD

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Posted on 01-31-11 10:52:03 PM Link | Quote

I'm a jerk and a troll to like half of dA by this point.

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Posted on 01-31-11 11:00:48 PM Link | Quote
Only to those who deserve it, Aux.

I'm shaking and trembling, but that might have been the pinnacle of me being purposefully mean in my last comment there. I'm just sick and tired of that shit.

...If it isn't obvious to any outside observers at this point art is SRS BUSINESS to us.

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Posted on 02-01-11 12:03:37 AM Link | Quote
I'm a bad artist.

:|



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Gabu

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Posted on 02-01-11 01:35:51 AM Link | Quote
I don't think I've said anything towards you about your art, but you're actually decent and respected and accept criticism so I respect you.

What grinds my gears are just abysmal artists who refuse to change regardless of how much help and criticism that is being offered. Again, probably me being SRS about art, since no one who is abysmal actually makes it. And if so, the stump's nearby.

Basically, people who actually put in effort in art I'll respect.
People who are terrible but aren't really noted I won't notice.
People who are terrible but gets more praise than good artists gets me to rage.

You're in Column A.

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Posted on 02-01-11 03:56:00 AM Link | Quote
Welcome to the world of: EVERYTHING.

There will always be people within any medium that gets all the attention no matter how good something else is.

(And I believe I have said this before on several occasions.)

Oh, and, most of the DA community is pretty bad, at least from my experience. :/

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Posted on 02-01-11 06:57:48 AM Link | Quote
Sooo how old is this girl? Because she acts like a spoiled kid.
Also, I agree, her art is terrible. My thirteen year old cousin can do better..

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Posted on 02-01-11 07:58:05 AM Link | Quote
I can't do better than her, so I can't comment on her artwork. But her attitude... it's exactly the reason why I hate most of the Internet.

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Posted on 02-01-11 01:30:53 PM Link | Quote
Actually, that's stupid zero one, by that logic you would not be able to comment on anything you can't do yourself, regardless of what opinion you may have. Your opinion might be worth more if you have a lot more experience with the subject regardless if you're skilled at it or not.

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Posted on 02-02-11 05:05:41 PM Link | Quote
Now I wouldn't have said anything until I actually saw the comments. I mean...holy crap, off in la-la land much? Geez.

Also, there's a LiveJournal community dedicated to stuff like this. I've been meaning to check that for a while.

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Posted on 02-03-11 01:59:05 AM Link | Quote
I'm going to have to join that after that fail a couple of days ago.

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Posted on 02-03-11 02:13:42 AM Link | Quote
I'm one of those who does bad art intentionally.

Well, not really bad, just... abstract, in ways. I know I could still improve upon it, but now and then just banging out something unusual helps relieve stress.

It might be a step toward actually drawing, in a way.

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Posted on 02-03-11 09:09:35 AM Link | Quote
This is a pretty good example of why I would never use a service like DeviantArt. To me, it always seemed like one huge popularity contest. No thanks.

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Gabu

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Posted on 02-03-11 06:20:44 PM Link | Quote
Actually that sounds 90% accurate at this point. :I

Though it is awesome to look at your old stuff and see how much better you are at this point in time.

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Posted on 02-03-11 06:27:54 PM Link | Quote
DA is a shitty designed site that uses a shitty system for everything.

As one should know by hand, the site was only made to cash in on artists.

Frankly, if there was a better site for art, I would jump ship to it right away, but frankly, there isn't, which is kinda sad, really. :/
(at least not that I know off.)


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Posted on 02-03-11 07:04:53 PM Link | Quote
Cash in on artists? I've been on the site 5 or 6 years now and they haven't seen a penny out of me!

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Posted on 02-03-11 07:33:51 PM Link | Quote
No gabu, but many people upgrade to "premium" accounts. With out one of those it's silly how many basic functions your locked out of. Not to mention artists who strike it big sell their prints via them, which of course, they make money on.

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Posted on 02-04-11 08:57:44 PM Link | Quote
True, but not all artists need to have dA to suckle on in order to succeed. That's where cartoonists can just smile and nod.

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line 413 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 431 column 74 - Warning: <table> attribute "bgcolor" had invalid value "292929" and has been replaced
line 431 column 402 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 431 column 402 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 439 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 439 column 188 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 488 column 887 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "F0FFF0" and has been replaced
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line 488 column 1192 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 549 column 43 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 549 column 43 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 549 column 86 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 549 column 129 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 549 column 172 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 549 column 172 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 549 column 215 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 641 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 648 column 887 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "F0FFF0" and has been replaced
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line 707 column 887 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "F0FFF0" and has been replaced
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line 743 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 743 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 743 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 752 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 757 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 214 column 291 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 274 column 291 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 737 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 179 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 212 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 214 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 245 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 247 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 272 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 274 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 301 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 303 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 332 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 362 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 364 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 397 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 429 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 431 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 456 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 458 column 172 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 486 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 512 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 540 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 542 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 561 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 563 column 99 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 563 column 99 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 563 column 507 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 563 column 661 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 590 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 617 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 619 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 646 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 678 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 680 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 705 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 731 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 733 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 419 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md