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Posted on 12-14-10 12:26:00 AM Link | Quote
4:44 is serious business. I looked into this on Xk's request.

Video (by him): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vObx192Tyy4

And here's the text dumped from the game (encoded in Shift-JIS):
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

There's one more string right before the first one, which is just ... a blank space and a linefeed. Not really worth dumping.

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Posted on 12-14-10 03:22:10 AM Link | Quote
The files, with the proper encoding sent

Acts really weird on my computer, though, and there doesn't seem to be too good of a monospaced font.

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Posted on 12-14-10 03:47:20 AM (last edited by Tauwasser at 12-14-10 12:47 AM) Link | Quote
I gave a rough translation of 6 in the other topic.

8: 4th Year 4th [day of the month] 4 o'clock [am/pm] 44 mins.
9: 4th [day of the month] 4 o'clock [am/pm] 44 mins.
10: 4 o'clock [am/pm] 44 mins.

Presumably those are the times when the messages occurr?
What do you expect for 8? Somebody is obsessed with fours.

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Posted on 12-14-10 03:54:19 AM (last edited by Reimu at 12-14-10 12:56 AM) Link | Quote
...
Yeah, these happen when you check at the PM times I think.

str10.txt "4 hours 44 minutes"
str9.txt "4 days 4 hours 44 minutes"
str7.txt "4 years 4 days 4 hours 44 minutes"

The fourth and second messages are the most interesting given they are actual long messages. (And the fourth ends with a "hahahaha")

I wonder what does happen if you check it at 4:44am of the 4th day of the 4th year if str7.txt is the pm message then.

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Posted on 12-14-10 04:46:55 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tauwasser
Somebody is obsessed with fours.
And after looking at str1, I can definitely say it is because the number 4 is associated with death.

str1.txt contains the number 4 a bunch, as well as curses and evil and death and misfortune. Most of it is self-explanatory.

str5.txt is a bit different, but it still has curses and such.

I don't think I'll be able to make sense of the second or fourth messages, but I'm still going to try.

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Posted on 12-14-10 01:49:20 PM (last edited by Gig at 12-14-10 10:49 AM) Link | Quote
String #3 is pretty much exactly what I guessed it would be; a co-ordinate pair (number of 4s, digit).

Looking them up on the Hiragana table gives the correct message, which seems to be related to the Cursed Hoe, so I think we've figured out the theme, here.

Originally posted by Rahan
わくたれわろの

のろいとくにわ

きようかいののらわれたどうぐをはずす

じゆつかいくる


What a bizarre way to communicate the messages... how did they ever expect anybody to read this? The fact it's still in the US version makes it even more mysterious, as if they didn't even know.

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Posted on 12-14-10 02:09:00 PM Link | Quote
It seems that str_2 is one of those wonky vertically-written messages, too, which seems to be the case for the rightmost column but fails kind of miserably everywhere else:

Link

I'm not 100% sure this copied right either, but it seems to be OK. I just know my editor was fucking up near the end.

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Posted on 12-14-10 06:29:04 PM Link | Quote
Considering how glitchy and half-assed this games was (at least, the very original Mineral Town, I haven't played the 400 other incarnations), I'm actually quite surprised they managed to have functioning hidden content like this. Pretty interesting stuff...
 
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Posted on 12-14-10 06:52:13 PM Link | Quote
This is really creepy. It's like a part of some ARG.

I'll be awaiting translations patiently.

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Posted on 12-14-10 09:50:49 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gig
I'm not 100% sure this copied right either, but it seems to be OK. I just know my editor was fucking up near the end.
The first line isn't copied correctly. It says:
のろわれたおの　のろいとくには　255かいつかう　　
"To lift the curse on the cursed ax, use it 255 times."

The rest looks like gibberish to me, even reading the original.

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Posted on 12-14-10 10:04:16 PM Link | Quote
Well, at least we know the ongoing theme here. I wonder if the rest really is just gibberish? (It's hard to tell some times.)

That covers about... 3 of the cursed items in the game, and there's six if I remember right.

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Posted on 12-14-10 10:12:30 PM Link | Quote
I could of sworn that the game ended up buggy because the translators tried to rip the Easter egg out, but it caused a ton of problems?

Now I'll have to try and dig where I found that.

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Posted on 12-14-10 10:13:27 PM Link | Quote
This is still there in all its glory in the US version (which is how I came across it in the first place), so they didn't do much in the way of removing it.

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Posted on 12-14-10 10:27:00 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gig
That covers about... 3 of the cursed items in the game, and there's six if I remember right.
What are the other items? It'll be easier to find the hidden messages if I know what I'm looking for.

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Posted on 12-14-10 10:30:30 PM Link | Quote
Cursed Axe Use it 255 times
Cursed Fishing Rod Use it 255 times
Cursed Hammer Have it equipped for 10 days straight
Cursed Hoe Have Carter bless it 10 times
Cursed Sickle Have it equipped for 10 days straight
Cursed Watering Can Have Carter bless it 10 times

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Posted on 12-14-10 11:49:17 PM (last edited by Joe at 12-14-10 08:49 PM) Link | Quote
Str1 is:
呪我多鎌呪忌篤煮覇吐汚禍監葬媚死汰真魔似掏瑠
のろわれたかま　のろいとくには　とおかかんそうびしたままにする
"Cursed sickle: To lift the curse, leave it equipped for ten days."

Str5 is:
呪我多釣璃竿呪忌篤煮覇丹百護獣誤怪通禍迂
のろわれたつりざお　のろいとくには　にひゃくごじゅうごかいつかう
"Cursed fishing rod: To lift the curse, use it 255 times."


All right, what next?

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Posted on 12-15-10 12:20:15 AM Link | Quote
There's a glitch where the priest starts speaking in German. Suggesting there is possibly a feature to change dialog into different languages. Unlikely but Natsume could have translated it from Japanese to German and then English and forgot to translate that specific piece of dialog.

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Posted on 12-15-10 05:24:28 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Darkdata
I could of sworn that the game ended up buggy because the translators tried to rip the Easter egg out, but it caused a ton of problems?

Now I'll have to try and dig where I found that.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was the translators' faults, as many of the glitches were text related in the first place, not to mention countless typos (which even HM64 had a few, okay, but this game took it to another level )...interesting that you mentioned this actually
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Posted on 12-16-10 01:39:11 PM (last edited by Tauwasser at 12-16-10 10:40 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gig
String #3 is pretty much exactly what I guessed it would be; a co-ordinate pair (number of 4s, digit).

Looking them up on the Hiragana table gives the correct message, which seems to be related to the Cursed Hoe, so I think we've figured out the theme, here.

Originally posted by Rahan
わくたれわろの

のろいとくにわ

きようかいののらわれたどうぐをはずす

じゆつかいくる


What a bizarre way to communicate the messages... how did they ever expect anybody to read this? The fact it's still in the US version makes it even more mysterious, as if they didn't even know.


You have the first line reversed there:

のろわれたくわ
のろいとくにわ
きょうかいの のろわれた
どうぐを　はずす
じゅつかいくれ

To lift the curse of the cursed hoe,
miss/remove the church's cursed tool then times

I think he misread う for つ in the last line while he put that down. Also, maybe it was fashionable to write わ instead of は in line two...

Also, this follows the regular 五十音, so it would be easy and logical for a Japanese person to decode it that way.

Edit: Seems like we're only missing the watering can.

cYa,

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Posted on 12-16-10 02:23:38 PM (last edited by GlitterBerri at 12-16-10 11:23 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tauwasser

のろわれたくわ
のろいとくにわ
きょうかいの のろわれた
どうぐを　はずす
じゅつかいくれ

To lift the curse of the cursed hoe,
miss/remove the church's cursed tool then times

I think he misread う for つ in the last line while he put that down. Also, maybe it was fashionable to write わ instead of は in line two...

Also, this follows the regular 五十音, so it would be easy and logical for a Japanese person to decode it that way.

Edit: Seems like we're only missing the watering can.

cYa,

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はずす should be translated "unequip" as that's what it means in this context. =) I agree with the rest of your conclusions.
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line 819 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 819 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 833 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 813 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 210 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 238 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 275 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 277 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 286 column 917 - Warning: <marquee> is not approved by W3C
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line 342 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 349 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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