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Posted on 11-10-10 02:48:24 AM Link | Quote
Working on a Weak Article system similar to the Featured Article system, for games with lots of known unused content but a poorly written/laid out page.

This thread is for discussing the system and nomination of Weak Articles.

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Posted on 11-10-10 02:58:55 AM Link | Quote
That's great, It helps making articles up to wiki standard.

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Posted on 11-10-10 03:12:59 AM Link | Quote
Don't we already have the various templates aka {{stub}}, {{start}} etc.? Why need another one?

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Posted on 11-10-10 03:17:08 AM Link | Quote
For things with plenty of content that aren't well organized/documented/explained, as opposed to things with little content.

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Posted on 11-10-10 03:34:51 AM Link | Quote
I thought that's what {{sucks}} was for?

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Posted on 11-10-10 03:36:30 AM Link | Quote
{{sucks}} was a joke template, I thought

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Posted on 11-10-10 03:38:01 AM Link | Quote
I never intended for it to be. Some of the articles do suck horribly.

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Posted on 11-10-10 03:39:37 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
{{sucks}} was a joke template, I thought


{{sucks}} seems rather... needlessly harsh, honestly. Like something the wiki would've had in the earlier days... I like the "Weak Article" concept, but as Xkeeper said on IRC, it should be preset, not random.
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Posted on 11-10-10 03:44:07 AM Link | Quote
Okay, how's about we keep {{sucks}} for really terrible, bottom-of-the-barrel articles that are basically on life support, and make a new {{weak}} template for everything else?

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Posted on 11-10-10 04:00:41 AM Link | Quote
It's not really weak as much of in need of expansion.

And that's what {{elaborate}} is for. Honestly, most cases already have templates... like I said, having a manually chosen list of articles that could use work every week (say, 3 or 4) would be best.

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Posted on 11-10-10 04:57:57 AM Link | Quote
My thought was that we'd get all the articles that need some work together and devote a front page spot to randomly cycling them, so they would be brought to attention. The exposure is important- it's not just a template. See what I'm doing on the front-page sandbox.

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Posted on 11-10-10 06:18:42 PM Link | Quote
That's what the relevant things are for (stub, start, elaborate, etc).

What I was getting at was that we go through those, pick three, and say "OK, let's concentrate on these articles for now." Idea being that we go for the major ones at first.

Picking at random is a bad idea, since it could end up being "Ugh, this game. Not bothering." or whatever...

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Posted on 11-10-10 06:56:36 PM Link | Quote
Eh, all right. I would like to keep a list of weak articles even if we only call attention to a few at a time, though.

Thoughts on candidates?

I'll nominate Metroid Prime 2- the old scandata lists I found are interesting, but I can't even get MPXViewer to run and the page is poorly organized, since I'm not exactly good at the presentation aspects...

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Posted on 11-10-10 09:07:15 PM Link | Quote
Again, there's already mechanisms for a list.


start: Page is just a short info dump, either missing the game info, or completely missing content
stub: Some content, but few/no details and needs an explanation of how to see it
elaborate: Content there and accessible given the instructions, but needs to have a good, understandable write-up
needsimages: Needs some good images to accompany the text, or (selectively) needs an image of the content, for example a lost area that doesn't have a picture for it
NeedsUpdate:* Uses out-of-date wiki standards and needs some cleanup and reformatting

sucks: Something went horribly wrong somewhere and this article needs help badly


The idea being that a reasonable article would progress through the first 3 "categories", possibly go through the fourth, then be considered "finished". Really, anything below a finished article would be "weak".



*Why are these ones capitalized? The general gist was to have most of the common templates lowercase.

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Posted on 11-10-10 11:01:19 PM Link | Quote
Mmm, all right. Works.

I did NeedsUpdate; lacking a style guide, I was unaware a standard was in place.

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Posted on 11-10-10 11:03:01 PM Link | Quote
Nothing a simple move didn't solve.

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line 443 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 469 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 499 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 529 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 571 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 599 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 316 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
Lobby your company to join the W3C: http://www.w3.org/Consortium

Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md