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Posted on 08-07-10 04:10:41 AM Link | Quote
So, have these ever really been looked at in any sort of detail?

I know we have wiki spaces for Zelda 1 and A Link to the Past, but I'm surprised at the amount of investigation in them, especially since they're still pretty popular.

Rahan, didn't you mention in our hang out something about unused clock graphics in LttP?

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Posted on 08-07-10 04:31:59 AM Link | Quote
They haven't really been looked at at all. This was noted on ALttP's talk page too, in fact. I'm sure there must be unused stuff in there.

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Posted on 08-07-10 07:03:47 AM Link | Quote
IIRC wind waker has some very alpha models in it along with several items including the "wind waker stone". Jaytheham found it years ago but never released a code. The game is 7 now, it took the same amount of time to find the arwing in OOT.

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Posted on 08-07-10 07:37:32 AM Link | Quote
There's not much stuff known.

I can say that Lost Levels will have a special treat related to this thread within the next month (I hope) so keep checking there every few days.

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Posted on 08-07-10 03:07:05 PM Link | Quote
In the meantime, perhaps we should take a real good look-see in one of the first three games, mayhaps? Hey, look what happened when we finally got to digging into Link's Awakening.

And also while I'm here in this thread typing, should I make mention of the unused Microphone coding in the first LoZ game in the U.S. release? After all, the game does make mention of it, but there was never any microphone peripheral for us. :X

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Posted on 08-07-10 05:04:24 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Rick
there was never any microphone peripheral for us. :X
I opened up my NES and traced the connections, and as far as I can tell there's nothing that would be compatible with the Famicom microphone. It wouldn't be too difficult to hack one in, though.

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Posted on 08-07-10 07:46:31 PM Link | Quote
There were actually a few games that had leftover microphone support, usually because the functionality was so minor that it didn't make sense to bother removing it/mapping it to a button. Star Soldier in particular has some secret bonuses that seem to be activated with the microphone.

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Posted on 08-08-10 10:53:24 PM Link | Quote
Kid Icarus had it's microphone support mapped to the second controller so you can haggle prices in the shops and was left in when ported to the US, and I'm assuming PAL versions. Thought there are a few variations of Kid Icarus, it may not exist in all copies of the game.

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Posted on 08-09-10 02:51:34 AM Link | Quote
I remember hearing about a way to haggle prices in the game, but for some reason, I must've mistook it for the Game Boy version. I don't remember where I heard it.

I smell a mass update sometime soon of leftover Mic support!

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Posted on 08-09-10 08:47:41 AM Link | Quote
It's still possible to haggle prices in Kid Icarus even if you're playing on a console with no microphone support. You just have to press certain buttons on Controller 2.
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Posted on 08-09-10 11:22:28 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by nensondubois
Kid Icarus had it's microphone support mapped to the second controller so you can haggle prices in the shops and was left in when ported to the US, and I'm assuming PAL versions. Thought there are a few variations of Kid Icarus, it may not exist in all copies of the game.




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Posted on 08-10-10 08:53:23 PM Link | Quote
I'm amazed that you all seem to have forgotten about the Chris Houlihan room. That certainly is something worth mentioning.

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Posted on 08-11-10 04:25:45 AM Link | Quote
Well it is technically used, is it not? Just a little obscured, but used as a failsafe to keep the game from crashing.as it used in the GBA version? I think not, but still it should be looked into.

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Posted on 08-11-10 06:11:05 AM Link | Quote
Yeah, but as far as I recall, Chris won the right to have his name in the room as a prize in a contest... so, wouldn't the original Japanese version of the room say something else? (And therefore, fall under region/localization differences?)

Do the GBA versions of the room (if it's still largely the same) match their Super Famicom/Super Nintendo counterparts?
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Posted on 08-11-10 06:20:30 AM Link | Quote
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Didn't they use that room as an "error handler" with no normal way to access it?

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Posted on 08-11-10 08:44:02 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by nensondubois
Well it is technically used, is it not?
Yes, but it's more than obscure enough (and certainly interesting enough) to warrant a mention on the wiki.
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Didn't they use that room as an "error handler" with no normal way to access it?
It does function as an error handler, but you can also access it by running REALLY fast from Sanctuary to a specific hole in the ground; I've done it a few times myself. However, I don't know if the game was specifically coded to do this (todo: check RAM for a timer), or if it's actually triggering some kind of glitch.

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Posted on 08-11-10 04:05:41 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Aoi
Yeah, but as far as I recall, Chris won the right to have his name in the room as a prize in a contest... so, wouldn't the original Japanese version of the room say something else? (And therefore, fall under region/localization differences?)

Do the GBA versions of the room (if it's still largely the same) match their Super Famicom/Super Nintendo counterparts?


It was a Nintendo of America contest, but I'm sure the Japanese/European version had to have some kind of failsafe unless the game was code completely differently which I don't believe is the case.

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Posted on 08-11-10 04:10:26 PM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Aoi
Do the GBA versions of the room (if it's still largely the same) match their Super Famicom/Super Nintendo counterparts?
It's basically the same, but the message doesn't mention Chris Houlihan anymore.

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Posted on 08-11-10 05:25:22 PM Link | Quote
iirc, there's simply no message there; the telepathy emblem was removed.

There's also no legitimate way to get there in that version outside of hacking.

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Posted on 08-11-10 05:32:52 PM (last edited by Prince Kassad at 08-11-10 02:33 PM) Link | Quote
Version differences are also worth checking out. Not the obvious blah, but really the inside stuff (like bug fixes, et cetera).

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line 588 column 263 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 588 column 728 - Warning: <td> attribute "align" has invalid value "top"
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line 714 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 714 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 588 column 808 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 648 column 131 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 708 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 207 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 209 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 209 column 425 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 233 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 259 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 287 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 315 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 317 column 947 - Warning: <marquee> is not approved by W3C
line 341 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 343 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 343 column 155 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 343 column 366 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 343 column 460 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 343 column 543 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 343 column 646 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 343 column 728 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 343 column 1191 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 343 column 1282 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 343 column 1459 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 343 column 1643 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 367 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 395 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 423 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 449 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 477 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 479 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 479 column 410 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 503 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 531 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 559 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 586 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 588 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 588 column 155 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 588 column 366 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 588 column 460 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 588 column 543 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 588 column 646 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 588 column 728 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 590 column 1654 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 590 column 1745 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 590 column 1922 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 590 column 2106 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 614 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 646 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 675 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 703 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 705 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 705 column 414 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 381 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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