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Posted on 04-19-10 11:39:01 AM Link | Quote

Just added the game to the Wiki, btw: http://wiki.rustedlogic.net/Doubutsu_no_Mori

Not much content yet, tho, much TODO...


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Posted on 04-19-10 06:34:33 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I really wonder if there's a way to get screenshots that aren't ass from these things.
Probably not until we get accurate (non-HLE) emulation of the N64's graphics chip. Unless I'm mistaken (I haven't used an N64 emulator in years), emulators still fake N64 graphics by using your 3D accelerator to render everything, and thus text that was designed to match the N64's low resolution and appear sharp on a TV screen is going to be filtered and upscaled to whatever resolution you're using, and thus look like crap.

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Posted on 04-19-10 08:03:43 PM Link | Quote
The Direct64 graphics plugin actually has quite accurate emulation. However, it doesn't support very many games.

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Posted on 04-20-10 12:46:21 AM (last edited by Joe at 04-19-10 09:46 PM) Link | Quote
MESS does low-level emulation, and some of the screenshots are rather promising.

Edit: If it bugs you about missing files, I can send them to you.

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Posted on 04-20-10 04:15:09 AM Link | Quote
Okay, thanks all. I'll get started on some of those soon.

I apologize for the slow pace of wiki updates, I've been busy with real life stuff.
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Posted on 04-20-10 10:20:14 AM Link | Quote
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Why didn't it occur to me to check the PJ64 cheat DBs in some old backups of mine?

"Forest Map Select" - Advance through title screen, etc. until you get to Totakeke's first two-choice question. Now, hold R and select the second option, and when you're supposed to return to the title screen you arrive at the map select.
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Sorry about the delay, Supakitsune.

Here was me thinking these codes'd never be found or released, haha!
Thanks for finding 'em, by the way. I'm gonna dig through the maps and see what I find.
And sorry for bugging you about it so much and whatnot.

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Posted on 04-20-10 02:53:50 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Supakitsune

Here was me thinking these codes'd never be found or released, haha!
Thanks for finding 'em, by the way. I'm gonna dig through the maps and see what I find.
And sorry for bugging you about it so much and whatnot.

Don't worry, I'm the personification of lazyness at times, so bugging me for stuff tends to be necessary I can imagine that if you didn't bug me about the codes, they really would've been lost, as there probably aren't that many people interested in the original game, at least in comparison to the GCN or later ones.


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Posted on 04-26-10 05:41:58 PM (last edited by Keitaro at 04-26-10 02:46 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by GoldS
Originally posted by HyperHacker

SML2 and Metroid 2 use the same engine IIRC, so both might be interesting to look at.


Well, that would explain why I found the Metroid 2 credits in the SML2 ROM.

SML3 (Wario Land) also uses this engine (more like its instead heavily based off SML2's, and uses the same map format iirc)...kind of funny as Wario Land 4 is also based off a Metroid engine I sadly lack much assembly know-how but if you ever found any hidden gems in Wario Land you would forever be godly in my eyes

I know for a fact the instruction book lists a few locations that were never actually used directly the game (either as levels or overworlds) on its map...Fork Tree was a huge one (although there was a similar level, the instruction book labels it in a manner implying it would have been its own world, perhaps a mini or hidden one similar to Sherbet Land..)...Capri Sea was another one I recall from the in-book map. Can't remember others, though I remember racking my brains trying to find these stages back in the day at age 6 only to eventually write Nintendo and get the usual "sometimes stuff isn't always there in the final product" form letter.
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Posted on 04-26-10 06:49:50 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Keitaro
...kind of funny as Wario Land 4 is also based off a Metroid engine
I thought it was the other way around? I know I saw a screenshot of a debug room from one of the Metroid games that had WL4 stone blocks in it...

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Posted on 04-26-10 07:42:05 PM Link | Quote
Maybe that was it then, though I could have sworn Metroid Fusion came out first. I could easily be mistaken though.
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Posted on 04-27-10 12:04:31 AM Link | Quote
Wario Land 4: 08/21/01 - JP
Metroid Fusion: 11/17/02 - US (interestingly, released in US first by a few months.)

And yes, Metroid Fusion's test room is full of WL4 blocks.

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Posted on 04-30-10 05:22:40 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Wario Land 4: 08/21/01 - JP
Metroid Fusion: 11/17/02 - US (interestingly, released in US first by a few months.)


Metroid is one of the few (only?) Nintendo series that now routinely gets North American releases first since the series is more popular here than in Japan. Wikipedia suggests that Metroid II was actually released here first, which I'm not totally sure about... but Prime 2 and 3 took several months to head over to Japan.

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Posted on 05-19-10 12:04:19 AM Link | Quote
I know you said that you prefered Nes/Snes games

But I'd love to see what Mischief Makers on the N64 have as leftovers, it's my favorite game. Thinking about it, I haven't seen any leftovers/beta stuff from any Treasure's games. They're pretty niche, but of course, everybody here knows about Treasure. Is it because nobody bothered or is there usually nothing to find?
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Posted on 05-19-10 11:28:21 AM (last edited by Flying Omelette at 05-19-10 08:31 AM) Link | Quote
I've been trying for years to find out if any remnants of the Blackwing boss still exist in the King Arthur and the Knights of Justice ROM. The name is listed in the ROM's text alongside all the other boss names and one of the developers said it was his favorite boss fight in a Nintendo Power interview, and yet it's not in the final game.

Unfortunately, I don't know enough about hacking to figure out how to find it if it's in there. But if you're looking for a challenge...
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Posted on 05-23-10 04:18:00 AM Link | Quote
Maybe you could check out T&C surf designs. I've always loved that game for some weird reason, and the back of the box shows trophies, two-player simultaneous mode, and another character that wasn't in the game. You can check it out here:

Link to back of the box

The manual had the trophies in it too. It'd be really neat if there were a way to enable them or two-player simultaneous mode.
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Posted on 05-23-10 05:48:17 AM (last edited by cool_boy_mew at 05-23-10 05:33 AM) Link | Quote
Talking about the back of boxes, I heard that on Final Fantasy Mystic Quest's box, there's a character you never get to play with, but I've never been able to find a big enough box

And I remember that on the back of the box of Mario Paint, there's a picture of the cutter fish that was used where you are not normally supposed to be able to use it

found a box pic
http://www.rfgeneration.com/images/games/U-044/bb/U-044-S-03190-A.jpg

If I recall correctly, the extra icon IS for the fish scissors which is only normally available in a certain mode. And the smallest picture on the box are the fish scissors in action where they shouldn't be
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Posted on 05-24-10 04:40:25 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by meltycat
Maybe you could check out T&C surf designs. I've always loved that game for some weird reason, and the back of the box shows trophies, two-player simultaneous mode, and another character that wasn't in the game. You can check it out here:

Link to back of the box

The manual had the trophies in it too. It'd be really neat if there were a way to enable them or two-player simultaneous mode.

All signs point to the back of that box being a complete mockup (or at least early)... The status bar looks nothing like that, there's no trace of any of the graphics for a trophy/counter in the ROM still, and... yeah.

Sorry, but that looks like it's gone forever.

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Posted on 05-30-10 01:12:18 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper

All signs point to [screenshots on] the back of [the T&C Surf Designs box] being a complete mockup (or at least early)... The status bar looks nothing like that, there's no trace of any of the graphics for a trophy/counter in the ROM still, and... yeah.

Sorry, but that looks like it's gone forever.


Aww, that's a shame! I've also heard that Mega Man 2 has some leftover level data from Mega Man 1 in it, maybe this would be another game to check for material?
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Posted on 05-30-10 03:38:01 AM (last edited by Rick at 05-30-10 12:51 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by meltycat


Aww, that's a shame! I've also heard that Mega Man 2 has some leftover level data from Mega Man 1 in it, maybe this would be another game to check for material?


Ah yeah, good point. I've seen that somewhere, but I can't remember which site. I wanna say The Mechanical Maniacs, but I'm not certain. There's also a couple sets of unused tiles floating around. I got a pic from my old wiki, but I don't really know what kind of a description to put in. Maybe I'll just post up the image and let someone else do the dirty work.

Edit: Done. Now there's no sitting around to be done! Except for me, 'cause I did my part. :p
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line 350 column 1806 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 353 column 2167 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 361 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 361 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 361 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 361 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 361 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 361 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 361 column 273 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 361 column 316 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 744 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 744 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 744 column 245 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 753 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 758 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 210 column 808 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 236 column 536 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 318 column 167 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 445 column 808 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 521 column 1967 - Warning: trimming empty <center>
line 738 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 208 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 210 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 210 column 155 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 210 column 366 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 210 column 460 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 210 column 543 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 210 column 646 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 210 column 728 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 210 column 1511 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 210 column 1602 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 210 column 1779 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 210 column 1963 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 234 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 236 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 236 column 399 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 260 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 264 column 857 - Warning: <marquee> is not approved by W3C
line 288 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 316 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 378 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 411 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 443 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 445 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 445 column 155 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 445 column 366 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 445 column 460 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 445 column 543 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 445 column 646 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 445 column 728 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 445 column 1269 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 445 column 1360 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 445 column 1537 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 445 column 1721 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 469 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 495 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 516 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 518 column 1139 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 518 column 1258 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 521 column 2021 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 544 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 572 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 600 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 630 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 663 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 696 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 727 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 398 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md