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Posted on 04-30-10 08:12:32 PM Link
   
Originally posted by Treeki
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He couldn't have got the passwords themselves, right? I mean, they are probably salted/hashed..
Still. What a peristant guy.

Hence the whole "change your passwords if they're insecure" - there are sites with huge searchable MD5 hash databases.

Yeah, that wouldn't help at all if the passwords are salted, though.

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:14:01 PM Link
OK, password changed... even though my previous password was decent anyway (10 characters with upper/lowercase, numbers, and symbols)... =/

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:15:10 PM Link
Password changed.

I suck at remembering passwords, so I wrote this one down on a piece of paper

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:16:15 PM Link
what kind of hash does Jul use?
MD5 is known to be insecure, so i hope jul doesnt use it...

Maybe i should consider changing my jul psw to sth different, because i'm using the same one for jul, gmail, msn, etc...
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Posted on 04-30-10 08:20:45 PM Link
MD5 isn't insecure, it's just that there are rainbow tables out there for the easier hashes (e.g. all-letters from 1 to 8 characters, all numbers from lengths 1-10, etc.)

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:23:15 PM Link
Anyone else think it's funny that he stole Deleted User's password hash?

My old Jul pass was actually fairly secure, but I wanted to be on the safe side. I don't use my old or new Jul passwords anywhere other than Jul.

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:23:28 PM Link
Excuse me, but who is MegaMario. I just understand he's another lamer or hacker, but is something happened in the past?

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:24:29 PM Link
My password here is 15 characters long.


My FTP password is only 6! just kidding

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:25:32 PM Link
Originally posted by Conte de Contis
Excuse me, but who is MegaMario. I just understand he's another lamer or hacker, but is something happened in the past?


This is proof that you need to update your FAQ, X.

He is a lamer and a hacker but was banned for doing dumb stuff in regards to it. He's re-regged dozens of times since, mostly with malicious intent over that butthurt I mentioned earlier.
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Posted on 04-30-10 08:26:00 PM Link
For a while (around to the point my internet died) I had a link to the Mega Moron Archives.

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:26:33 PM (last edited by Terra at 04-30-10 05:26 PM) Link
Originally posted by Conte de Contis
Excuse me, but who is MegaMario. I just understand he's another lamer or hacker, but is something happened in the past?


It was here, although it seems to be down right now. It was followed by this, which loads fine.

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:26:40 PM Link
Originally posted by dirbaio
what kind of hash does Jul use?
MD5 is known to be insecure, so i hope jul doesnt use it...

Maybe i should consider changing my jul psw to sth different, because i'm using the same one for jul, gmail, msn, etc...


If your password is secure, it should be safe

MD5 isn't as good as other hashing methods, but it's still secure. It can be bruteforced, but any non-trivial password would take way too long to bruteforce unless you have a supercomputer.


I've seen sites which store passwords in plaintext.

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:27:46 PM Link
Originally posted by Treeki
I've seen sites which store passwords in plaintext.


AcmlmBoards did this until I1 got hacked in 2002.

For my own board system (only used for a school project now), I used SHA1 with a salt.

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:35:05 PM Link
Originally posted by Terra
Originally posted by Treeki
I've seen sites which store passwords in plaintext.


AcmlmBoards did this until I1 got hacked in 2002.

For my own board system (only used for a school project now), I used SHA1 with a salt.

Neopets is the site I was talking about

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:36:59 PM Link
I would actually update the board to use salted MD5 hashes (did you know that the voting in polls uses your password as a token? now you know) but the big problem is that updating old user's passwords would be mind-bogglingly difficult if I didn't do store = md5(md5(pw) + salt).


(p.s., yes, the hashes in polls/etc are salted with a fairly long string)

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
I would actually update the board to use salted MD5 hashes (did you know that the voting in polls uses your password as a token? now you know) but the big problem is that updating old user's passwords would be mind-bogglingly difficult if I didn't do store = md5(md5(pw) + salt).


(p.s., yes, the hashes in polls/etc are salted with a fairly long string)

Why not keep a flag specifying whether the user has an old or a new hash?


When they log in, if they have an old hash, use their entered password to generate the new version. That'd at least make it far harder to compromise accounts which are currently in use, although it'd do nothing for inactive accounts.

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:42:01 PM Link
Simply because there's too much to update all over the place.

Today's Acmlmboard fun fact: Did you know your password is actually encoded, not encrypted, in your cookies? It is!

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Posted on 04-30-10 08:45:07 PM (last edited by Milly at 04-30-10 05:49 PM) Link




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Originally posted by Treeki
Originally posted by Terra
Originally posted by Treeki
I've seen sites which store passwords in plaintext.
AcmlmBoards did this until I1 got hacked in 2002.
Nope, it's been MD5 ever since I switched the database to MySQL (and even before that, it was some weak reversible encryption) I used another reversible encryption for cookie passwords, as well ...

However, there were quite a few ways to get the database/cookie passwords, even in plain text (reading the login info from the reply page, with JavaScript)


(edited)
Ok, it actually was plain text at first But that changed to MD5 somewhere between 1.61 (April 2001) and 1.8 (March 2002), maybe in 1.65 or 1.7 ...

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The problem with updating the newreply/newthread pages to not use a typed password for logged in users means that you can't really make use of alternate accounts.

Not a big deal, but just one of those things I'd be missing.

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Jesus, he just doesn't know when to quit.

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line 674 column 1116 - Warning: <center> anchor "acj1k3" already defined
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line 179 column 1269 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 736 column 291 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 741 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 206 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 233 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 235 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
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line 292 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 318 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 372 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 400 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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