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Posted on 08-26-07 11:07:37 PM; last edit by fiercelink on 09-11-07 05:56 PM Link
Im Making This Thread So We Can Post our suggestions so VL-tone can put the ones he likes in ToadsTool


EDIT:
Here's My Suggestions

1 A script editor (TO make stuff like a fire mario (shooting fireballs)

2 Model Importer/Exporter

3 if not the 1 above a model editor

Ill post more
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you might be able to make a fire mario if you extend the punch attack to go on infedinentally, but there would be side effects...
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Posted on 08-27-07 12:39:12 AM; last edit by Ebeb on 08-28-07 08:20 PM Link
I think VL Tone already said it was impossible import/export objects in SM64.

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Posted on 08-27-07 01:49:43 AM Link
Originally posted by Ebeb
I think VL Tone already said it was impossible import/export objects in SM64.


I don't think they're "impossible" but I don't think the specific model format is known yet, so there's no way to make a converter.

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Originally posted by fiercelink
Im Making This Thread So We Can Post our suggestions so VL-tone can put the ones he likes in ToadsTool


(VL-Tone Plz Sticky)

EDIT:
Here's My Suggestions

1 A script editor (TO make stuff like a fire mario (shooting fireballs)

2 Model Importer/Exporter

3 if not the 1 above a model editor

Ill post more


1. No... You don't seem to understand how this works. While there are "behavior scripts", these are usually 3-10 commands that refer to ASM code. Editing the actual behavior would require a Dissasembler/Assembler, and some deep knowledge of the variables/registers used. We're far from that point.

2. You're the 100th person to ask this! You win a prize! Click HERE to claim your prize.

3. Look for the link found in number 2.

So if you have other suggestions, please try not to ask for obvious things. It's obvious that everyone would like to import/export objects. It's obvious that everyone would like to at least edit the geometry. It's also obvious that people would like to make heavy modifications to behaviors. I would like these myself to happen someday, I don't need them to be suggested to me.

Sorry if that sounded rude, but if you read the TT64 FAQ you'd know why number 2 and 3 are not planned anytime soon, and that these are frequently requested features.


I never said it was impossible to import objects, and the model format is known up to a point, because if I didn't find how, I wouldn't have been able to decode the level and object geometry that's displayed in TT64.

The SM64 model format is not simply a bunch of data fields, they are sequences of commands that control the RSP graphic chip. These commands include features that don't exist as-is in popular 3d model formats. For example, some command initialize the RSP chip, other set multiple parameters affecting how polygons are drawn, or reset them. Commands are used to jump all around the drawing script. Models like Mario's head with animated eyes have different entry points for each eye animation, setting a different eye texture, but then jumping back to a shared set of commands.

And this is only part of the problem. Importing new models would mean having to manage polygon data banks that can vary in size, and I'm sure there would be endless problems with trying to import certain models that happen to produce unsuitable n64 drawing code.

I'm a little tired of having to explain these things, especially since many people asking for it probably don't understand why it wouldn't be easy, despite my explanations. I while some smarter people might be able to tell me how to get around each of the issues I could have, the total amount of problems/issues I could run into just doesn't inspire me to do it.

I simply don't feel like working on this and no amount of begging will change a thing.


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Posted on 08-27-07 09:54:38 AM; last edit by The Glitch on 08-27-07 09:55 AM Link
Well, Before this thread goes away, I'll use it to post my ideas.

1.This is a minor feature, but I would still view it as cool, You could make skins for the TT64 program, and ethier use skins you made for yourself, or put it up for DL for others to use.

2.Merging the Text Editor with TT64, and making it appear as a menu by using a button next to the edit textures button.

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Posted on 08-27-07 08:28:03 PM; last edit by Ebeb on 08-28-07 08:20 PM Link
Skins would be cool, but I'd rather have bug fixes and useful new features.
I would like the text editor integrated into TT64 as well.

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Posted on 08-27-07 09:55:31 PM; last edit by roger3245 on 09-01-07 01:27 PM Link

It already is...

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Posted on 08-27-07 10:08:54 PM; last edit by Ebeb on 08-29-07 10:16 AM Link
Wow, you're right- I didn't even notice. Thanks for pointing that out.
EDIT: Wait, no it's not!

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Integrating the text editor was always in the plans. Currently it's not integrated. The menus for signs and Toad will show you the text from the game, but won't let you edit it. Actually it only shows the original text, it doesn't load it from the ROM.

The main issue is that the Text Wrangler shares some function names but the functions are sometimes different. Also, TT64 uses a different Binary I/O Xtra (Director Plug-in), so I'll have to change the code so it uses the same one (using both Xtras at the same time creates problems).

It won't be that hard, but the fact that it's not straightforward kept me from adding it sooner.

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Posted on 08-29-07 03:59:42 PM; last edit by The Glitch on 08-29-07 04:03 PM Link
What about getting rid of the "images" folder?
I deleted it and loaded up TT64, and nothing happened to it.

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My suggestions

1.Windows vista bug fixes (Optional) I can still use it thats all that really matters but it would be nice.

2.Make Mario fully customizable. (including collision sphere.)

3.Labeled audio editor. (secondary tool not embedded in toads tool unless you want to.)

4.More editable textures.

5.modle exporter and importer. (I know this was suggested before.)
But it would probably be in the category of xml models.
And yes i know that this would probably be impossible so it's (Optinal)

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1. Will Happen, by December I belive.
2. Will never fully happen, but more and more stuff is bound to happen however.
3. Will happen, no Problems here.
4. Same.
5. Read the post VL made, unless a miracle from God himself happenes, it will not occur.

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Is there any way you could make a punch's range infinity? Or rediculusly far?
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Posted on 08-30-07 10:21:36 PM Link
Originally posted by blakerobinson2u
Is there any way you could make a punch's range infinity? Or rediculusly far?

Thats basically what i asked here.
Originally posted by Dark Mario
2.Make Mario fully customizable. (including collision sphere.)

And here's the answer.
Originally posted by The Glitch
2. Will never fully happen, but more and more stuff is bound to happen however.


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Originally posted by Dark Mario
3.Labeled audio editor. (secondary tool not embedded in toads tool unless you want to.)

Originally posted by VL-Tone
Well I'll probably work on sound importing/exporting someday. But like many other things of this nature, the problem will be that importing larger sounds will be impossible unless the data is moved around to free up space.
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Originally posted by The Glitch
1. Will Happen, by December I belive.
2. Will never fully happen, but more and more stuff is bound to happen however.
3. Will happen, no Problems here.
4. Same.
5. Read the post VL made, unless a miracle from God himself happenes, it will not occur.


Actually , and audio editor would be pretty hard to do, cause you'd have to find some way to move and compress data to make room for sounds that wern't intended for that specific behavior, wether or not you add in your own sounds or just changed the exsiting ones. Not impossible though.

And on the model import/export/editor, theroreticly, it COULD happen, not anytime soon though, but VL is working on adding prexisting objects into a level, as he says in his FAQ.

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Ok, This is only a small suggestion, but is it possible to make all the model ID's appear in the geometry layout data so you can turn mario into almost anything. Cuz it could make it more funny, like monkey Mario lol.
(I know it'll look glitchy but still would be good fun)
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Maybe support mouse wheel zooming in with the camera, so you don't have to click and drag if you have a mouse wheel.

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Ok, This is only a small suggestion, but is it possible to make all the model ID's appear in the geometry layout data so you can turn mario into almost anything. Cuz it could make it more funny, like monkey Mario lol.
(I know it'll look glitchy but still would be good fun)
Not much point. Swapping other models in place of Mario will just get you garbage, basically, since they aren't compatible with his complex animations and structures.

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line 398 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 398 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 398 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 398 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 398 column 273 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 398 column 316 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 680 column 73 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 724 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 724 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 724 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 724 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 724 column 187 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 724 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 724 column 230 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 724 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 724 column 273 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 724 column 273 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 724 column 316 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 724 column 316 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 724 column 359 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 743 column 2944 - Warning: <td> anchor "lolefttd" already defined
line 743 column 2967 - Warning: <td> anchor "lomaintd" already defined
line 744 column 3019 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 744 column 3298 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 745 column 3603 - Warning: <td> anchor "lobottomtd" already defined
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line 773 column 4432 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 773 column 4432 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 782 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 782 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 782 column 216 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 791 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 796 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 297 column 1511 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 776 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 215 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 241 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 267 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 295 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 297 column 157 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 297 column 222 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 297 column 318 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 297 column 408 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 297 column 488 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 297 column 1443 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 358 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 388 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 415 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 443 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 470 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 472 column 157 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 472 column 222 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 472 column 318 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 472 column 408 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 472 column 488 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 472 column 1443 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 500 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 527 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 565 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 595 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 621 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 651 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 678 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 714 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 741 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 769 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 364 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md