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Posted on 12-17-09 10:45:02 PM Link | Quote
Why is it that half the printers I've used report "Out of ink" and yet still manage to print more papers after they hit that than before?

Seriously. This is ridiculous.

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Posted on 12-17-09 10:50:11 PM (last edited by Schala at 12-17-09 08:24 PM) Link | Quote
Yea, it's annoying when I try to print something, and no... I can't, because of one of the cartridges being out of ink

(My printer has separate CMYK cartridges, so I can just replace one or all of them if necessary...)

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Posted on 12-17-09 10:59:30 PM Link | Quote
I've had so many problems with printers through the years.

First, there were the dot-matrix monstrosities which would sometimes get stuck and print over the same line multiple times. Plus you had to finagle with the line feed switches for different programs unless you wanted double spacing or lines overwriting. Add to that having to make your own printer drivers and convincing Commodore software that the printer uses PETSCII and not true ASCII. (Commodore computers used a different character code called PETSCII, but most printers for Commodores used the same ASCII as most non-Commodore computers, but the printers we had did in fact expect PETSCII.)

Then, with inkjet and laser printers, my troubles have continued. Some school laser printers would take forever to print a page, so long that I ended up being late with an assignment because I had to catch my bus. One would have to warm up for several minutes multiple times a day. With inkjets, mostly the paper feed mechanisms would break somehow, so that the printer would absolutely insist that it was out of paper when there was paper there unless I pushed in each page during the brief window of opportunity before the printer gives up.

Argh.

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Posted on 12-18-09 12:16:27 AM Link | Quote
Good to know. I don't use my printer much, but I do need to make a few cards before I run out of time.

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Posted on 12-18-09 10:53:01 AM Link | Quote
Post #2741 - 12-18-09 05:53:01 AM
Because printers are an utter scam, that's why. I've gone through a few. One was an HP that was broken right out of the box. Another was a Lexmark that I returned immediately because their mandatory 600MB software fucked the system so badly I had to recover from a backup. Another was a second HP that worked decently until the paper jammed, at which point we discovered there is absolutely no way short of buying a rivet tool and ripping it apart to unjam it. I now have a Canon that works fantastic, except for having no support at all under Linux.

The nonsense they can get away with when it comes to ink is just outrageous. Consumerist recently ran an article about how it's often cheaper to replace the entire printer than the ink cartridge. Printer manufacturers, of course, responded to that by not filling the cartridges in new printers. Colour printers mix all the colours to make black to run through ink faster. Chips in the cartridges deliberately creating artificial compatibility issues, reporting "out of ink" when there's still plenty left, etc.
Cartridges have been known to "clog up" if not used once every month or so, and so some manufacturers have "fixed" that problem by having the printer automatically squirt a little once per day. It only needs to be done monthly but hell let's do it daily, not like it's wasting anything expensive!
Printers that refuse to print when the ink level is "low" even though it's plenty enough, or refuse to print in black because they're out of red. Printer/scanner combos that refuse to scan without a full ink cartridge. I really cannot comprehend how they can be allowed to do these things. I've heard (not confirmed, but it's not hard to believe) the ink for some of these things, per litre, costs more than human blood. Really. WTF.

Oh, and modern printers leave "invisible" watermarks on your printouts so they can be traced back to you. Look it up.

Fuck printers. </rant>

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Posted on 12-18-09 01:54:46 PM Link | Quote
Mine is a Dell V505w. Been using it mostly for scanning photos and it was home to a lizard a few months ago.

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Posted on 12-18-09 03:02:59 PM (last edited by Bagel at 12-18-09 12:06 PM) Link | Quote
I still use an ancient Canon i350 bubblejet printer. It works fine and produces good prints, and you can still find ink for it. It's a little loud, but this small little printer is the only one I've ever owned that actually does what it is supposed to do, and I can use gimp-print drivers with it. It's never had a single issue. Ever. As a result, if I get another printer, it's definitely going to be a Canon. I hope they are all this good.

Fuck Lexmark printers. They don't work. I have yet to find one that does.

HP's office printers are all right but their consumer level ones are a joke. I had an all-in-one that I got as a gift or something and it stopped being able to feed paper after only a week, and the scanner *never* worked.

My father still uses an ancient Apple LaserWriter from 1997. Somehow that thing still works, but it's black and white only. He's determined to keep using that thing until it catches fire or something. I'm not sure where he's getting replacement toner.

Also fuck those printers that actually refuse to print if one of the ink tanks is too low. If I want to print something in black and white, having a low cyan tank should not be a limiting factor.

Printers are bullshit.

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Posted on 12-18-09 04:54:17 PM Link | Quote
I hate printers. Every time I turn mine on it prints that stupid alignment paper even though I've already put it in my scanner and followed all of the steps for aligning it. It also seems like all of my black ink cartridges start to leak if I don't use them for a while, if I open my printer's cover I'm welcomed by a puddle of black ink .




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Posted on 12-18-09 05:26:39 PM Link | Quote
I've... never had issues with printers.

We had a Lexmark in 2003, dying only because a bottle cap somehow got stuck in it. I still don't know that one. I have an HP Deskjet 600c or something from a LONG time ago that still works... I just have to make room and set it up, and hope Windows 7 works with it. My mother uses one of those all-in-one HP printers (printer, copier, scanner, and apparently fax, she says), which hasn't given us a single ounce of trouble.

I remember a dot matrix printer with the old 286, too...

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Posted on 12-18-09 05:29:30 PM Link | Quote
I had a Lexmark back in...'97, I think. Had no issues with it, as I can recall.

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Posted on 12-18-09 06:02:32 PM Link | Quote
Right now, I have a Canon Pixma MP620 inkjet printer... and so far, I've had no problems with it

Before that, I had a second-hand HP Color LaserJet, now that had a lot of problems

My first printer was an Apple StyleWriter II, which was bought with my Performa 575 and used up until 1998... then I moved to Windows and used a cheap Lexmark black-and-white printer (a Z12? don't remember the exact model number...), which I used until around 2005 or so, when I got an HP PhotoSmart printer...

I then picked up a color LaserJet, but that thing had a lot of problems, and it was really hard to find the right toner for it, etc... and I got my current printer for my 25th birthday

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Posted on 12-18-09 06:13:59 PM Link | Quote
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Hmm, I had a dot matrix Digital DECWriter back in the day that worked alright, even did color with pretty decent quality for basic computer graphics. Then we had some parallel port Canon that worked alright. Didn't really mess up too much. My first bad experience was with the HP PSC 750. It printed OK, but color printing was always really crappy, and it'd randomly leave a nice blob of ink somewhere at least once per printout. The scanner tended to take low quality, grainy scans, which then started to develop a problem where every few lines would change between different offsets for some odd reason, creating an odd pattern. The ink ran out really fast and was quite pricey.

Now I don't have a printer of my own but my sister has one. It works OK, but the ink runs out quickly on it as well.

On the two most recent ones, the ink cartridges clogged ALL THE TIME.

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Posted on 12-18-09 09:06:34 PM Link | Quote
- Style Writer II (1992), with my old Macintosh: black&white, about 1 page per minute, no ink indicator (and it did run out of ink a few times), but that was fine for its time and it did its job
- Some Epson printer, forgot the model (1997): color, better quality (selectable too, lower quality was faster and used less ink), still no ink indicator but it also worked well
- Black&white laser printers at college (1999-2001): they printed fast (after some warmup time), had no problems either
- Some HP printer, forgot too (2002): this one did have a ink indicator, and I think it let me pick between black and color ... again, no trouble with it, even after having to replace (refill) the ink a few times

I've had no need for a printer since 2005, so I guess I haven't seen the newer crappier ones

Originally posted by HyperHacker
Another was a Lexmark that I returned immediately because their mandatory 600MB software fucked the system so badly I had to recover from a backup.
Fun fact, Windows Vista includes about 600MB of printer drivers in system32, that most people will never need But that much for just one printer is really sad ... (and worse if it doesn't even work properly)


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Posted on 12-19-09 12:39:24 AM Link | Quote
Post #2744 - 12-18-09 07:39:24 PM
IIRC it hooked itself into many places in unsafe/faulty ways, started a few background processes that used 100% CPU, and broke quite a few things. Unlike most devices the driver files weren't conveniently located on the CD so you could just point Windows at it and bypass the installer. You had to install all the bloatware. (No options - all or nothing, no way to uninstall individual components after installation.)

I have actually seen some decent business-model printers, but those are terribly expensive.

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Posted on 12-19-09 12:52:16 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Oh, and modern printers leave "invisible" watermarks on your printouts so they can be traced back to you. Look it up.

That's actually a requirement by law, but yeah, the rest of that rant is pretty much it.

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Posted on 12-19-09 02:57:27 PM Link | Quote
Supakitsune's post
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Unlike most devices the driver files weren't conveniently located on the CD so you could just point Windows at it and bypass the installer. You had to install all the bloatware. (No options - all or nothing, no way to uninstall individual components after installation.)

Seriously. These guys are the gods of raping computers with shitware you don't need.
Thank god for Windows 7 coming with drivers for my printer. Eeeesh.

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Posted on 12-19-09 03:16:03 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Supakitsune

Seriously. These guys are the gods of raping computers with shitware you don't need.
Thank god for Windows 7 coming with drivers for my printer. Eeeesh.


You forgot 'plug and play' printers that use drivers Windows has in its OS install.

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Posted on 12-19-09 10:04:42 PM (last edited by HyperHacker at 12-19-09 07:08 PM) Link | Quote
Post #2761 - 12-19-09 05:04:42 PM
My first 32-bit computer was an HP and the software wasn't that bad, besides the OS being WinME. McAfee sucked but the rest seemed alright. The hardware, on the other hand... that was the one that came with the broken-from-day-one printer and needed an additional fan installed (which required cutting a hole in the case).
It did have a thermal reboot (not even shutdown), but that didn't kick in until the IDE cables were beginning to melt.
I swear it had some other hardware issue as well, that would cause occasional graphic distortion and bugs. When I one day opened it up to clean, a piece of the CPU just fell off. Naturally it no longer booted. We gave up, threw it out, and replaced it with the machine I still have now, built from parts.
(Probably the only parts of this machine that haven't been replaced since then are the mainboard, CPU/heatsink/fan, and case. The floppy drive is still installed, but I don't think the floppy controller ever worked, nor do I care. The original 20GB hard drive, which was actually taken out of that HP machine, still works and is in my PS2.)

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Posted on 12-19-09 10:08:54 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
I swear it had some other hardware issue as well, that would cause occasional graphic distortion and bugs. When I one day opened it up to clean, a piece of the CPU just fell off. Naturally it no longer booted. We gave up, threw it out, and replaced it.

That's HP for you!

Maybe I'm just biased, but I have seriously never heard a good story about HP's computers ever. Fans dying, the above, common HD/motherboard failure, overall shitty performance... Vista runs HORRIBLY on a friend's laptop, and I've seen it do quite nicely on a similarly specced laptop by Gateway!

I'll still probably use my old HP printer (DeskJet 600c, or something). They didn't seem to start sucking until... 2000-2002, I'd guess.

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Posted on 12-19-09 10:14:50 PM Link | Quote
Post #2762 - 12-19-09 05:14:50 PM
Yeah, they really cheap out on the parts. I always forget to mention the power supply of that machine: 100 watts. The whole damn thing had as much power as a light bulb. I suspect that was the cause of a lot of the issues.

I've never had a good experience with HP, but I haven't used one of their products in years, before they merged with Compaq. A friend of mine has an HP netbook which is prone to BSODing, but the message indicates it's the fault of a video driver.

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