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Posted on 06-16-09 06:17:18 PM Link | Quote
Personally I'd do what I did - get one of these puppies.



It's a combination NES and SNES put together and I've had it for over a year. Works flawlessly so far. And it's cheaper than a used system, for Christsakes... only drawback I've had with it is that NES style connector controllers don't work with it (so you'd need an adapter or some soldering skills to use the NES light zapper or controllers). But SNES controllers work fine in the thing and it even comes with two new ones in the same color scheme as the system.

http://store.videogamecentral.com/retroduo-white-blue.html

^ I didn't buy mine from them, I impulsively bought mine from some top google hit and it took a week and a half to get here (in spite of "express" shipping). Anyways, it's worth a look, I think.

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Posted on 06-16-09 06:19:43 PM Link | Quote
That...looks really tempting.

Is its SFC support flawless or does it have issues. There are few things I've been looking into in that regard that I've shelved...

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Posted on 06-16-09 06:19:51 PM Link | Quote
That looks like a generic Famicom Twin, which as far as I know has some problem with sound.

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Posted on 06-16-09 06:24:55 PM Link | Quote
There is no famiclone that doesn't use NOAC, so you'll be getting inaccurate sound and missing quirks. I'd pass.

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Posted on 06-16-09 07:26:51 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, plus terrible mapper support. It's just not worth it in the long run.
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Posted on 06-16-09 07:34:12 PM Link | Quote
That's what I kinda thought. :\

Oh well...

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Posted on 06-16-09 09:38:40 PM (last edited by MathOnNapkins at 06-16-09 06:39 PM) Link | Quote
*grumble*

I suppose if you own absolutely every game in both the NES and SNES collection it might be a bad buy. If you don't believe me that it's a good product have a look at this:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114088

long story short:

Snes Licensed Incompatible

* Kirby Super Star (Reported incompatible)
* Super Mario RPG (Softwave Revisions 1.2, 1.3)
* Demon's Crest (Plays, but noticable slow-down in areas containing a lot of on-screen activity.)
* Batman Returns (PAL VERSION)
* Terranigma (Reported incompatible, not yet verified, suspected due to region lockout checks, similar to Super Mario RPG.)

NES Licensed Incompatible

* Rolling Thunder (Verified incompatibile on video)
* 720 (Reported)
* Battletoads (Verified, hangs after level 2)
* Paperboy (Verified)

It's not like I didn't do *any* research before I bought this thing. It's reportedly a much improved version of the FC Twin, which was one of the foremost Famiclones prior to the Retro Duo. It can't play SMRPG and Kirby Super Star because it doesn't contain a lockout chip on the console (which would make it illegal to sell, if I understand correctly). Demon's Crest and Terranigma, I have no idea why, probably a clocking issue. But it can play all other PAL games perfectly fine, apparently. As far as NES goes, I can live without Battletoads and Paperboy, if you can't, don't buy it, I guess. It's played everything I've thrown at it so far, except for the things on the list, obviously.

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Posted on 06-16-09 10:47:07 PM Link | Quote
Sorry bro, I can't live without Battletoads.

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Posted on 06-17-09 12:20:08 AM Link | Quote
I'm just going to go with buying an NES system. Thanks for the advice guys! Too bad I have to wait a few weeks before I can buy it.

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Posted on 06-17-09 07:19:55 AM Link | Quote
Jul Mosts 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzd7PI5g44&feature=related

The "pill clearing" sound in Dr. Mario seems slightly off, but most everything else sounds pretty good. I think the square wave channels are a little "smoother" than the real thing. Overall, though, I'm rather impressed, and a little dismayed that it took this long for someone to fix the most glaring problems of the old NOAC.

I wonder...how did they replicate the SNES hardware so well? Stolen schematics? That's a pretty impressive compatibility list for such a complex system.

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Posted on 06-17-09 04:15:06 PM Link | Quote
Actual merits of a system aside, I cannot consider a machine to be a SNES if it cannot play Kirby Super Star.

As for your NES issue, I think a new console is the best choice; this is purely based on anecdotal evidence of a friend of mine who had a similar problem and regretted replacing the part, because something else was broken too.

I hope you get it resolved, though! Emulation has nothing on the original experience. Good luck^^!
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Posted on 06-17-09 05:18:41 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Miasmir
Actual merits of a system aside, I cannot consider a machine to be a SNES if it cannot play Kirby Super Star.


These things aren't marketed as such, because they don't have permission from Nintendo, from what I understand. If you read the instruction manual it says "compatible with classic 8-bit and 16-bit cartridge games." Makes no mention of Nintendo whatsoever. I suppose if you really knew a lot about hardware hacking, you could find a way to solder in the lockout chip on to one of these things. There's no doubt in my mind that it could play KSS and SMRPG if it weren't for these anti-piracy measures Nintendo implemented in the SA-1 chip.

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line 411 column 2832 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 427 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 429 column 99 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 429 column 279 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "bordercolor"
line 429 column 279 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "bordercolordark"
line 454 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 484 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 514 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 297 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
Lobby your company to join the W3C: http://www.w3.org/Consortium

Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md