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Posted on 06-11-09 02:44:07 PM Link
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Okay, I've traced down the issue with the mysterious skips to libvorbis itself, apparently after calling ov_time_seek() there's a situation where there's a bunch of 00's read out of the stream - note that there is no such section of the stream itself. I might just be able to fix this easily.

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Posted on 06-11-09 04:38:00 PM Link
Any word on what was causing it?

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Posted on 06-11-09 04:45:20 PM Link
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No idea, other than that fixing it required a second check against the stream to find and clip out the empty stream sections. I still need to improve it a bit, though.

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Posted on 06-12-09 02:33:41 AM Link
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So, I have no idea why libvorbis is still doing this shit with ov_time_seek screwing up the output stream, but I've tried pretty hard to minimize it. I guess the best question would be why libvorbis itself is fucking up, because it's definitely not SDL_Mixer, I've already been able to confirm that.

It's not the stream either, I've checked that too.

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Posted on 06-12-09 06:06:42 AM (last edited by Giga at 06-12-09 03:13 AM) Link

Idea. Why not make the looped track start earlier, thus having the "delay" play over part of the track that is already in progress, and loop correctly?

Oh, and I think I know a way for the people who aren't contributing for their characters to speed that up. Just write out battles between the main character and their bosses, without regard to the game mechanics - then post that in this thread. I (and perhaps others) will then be an idea person(/idea people) and MAKE it fit with the game mechanics. Feel free to do whatever you want with the stories. =D

RosenkreuzStilette had Grolla, and she worked just as well as Tia. I bet I can think up ways for just about any weapon to work. +D

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Posted on 06-12-09 01:04:13 PM Link
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Originally posted by Giga
Idea. Why not make the looped track start earlier, thus having the "delay" play over part of the track that is already in progress, and loop correctly?


Tried that, but that just made things worse: The delay is *not* coming from the stream, but the decoder itself- And because it's a single stream buffer, I can't just play the looped section early.

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Posted on 06-12-09 09:39:42 PM Link

Get a double stream buffer?

That's really all I can think of for the sound issue. =\

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Posted on 06-12-09 10:21:20 PM Link
Turn on VGA Palette Snoop.

lol

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Posted on 06-12-09 10:28:38 PM Link
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Originally posted by Giga
Get a double stream buffer?

That's really all I can think of for the sound issue. =\


That just makes things more complex, error-prone, and hard to maintain

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Posted on 06-13-09 07:17:15 PM (last edited by GuyPerfect at 06-13-09 04:18 PM) Link
You might want to consider pre-buffering the audio output into memory, skipping over the blank spot, then sending the good data to the mixer. Sorta make a mini-extension to the decoder. While it shouldn't be necessary in the first place, it should be a simple implementation.
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Posted on 06-13-09 09:12:32 PM Link
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Originally posted by GuyPerfect
...skipping over the blank spot...


The only issue here is that the audio garbage isn't all blank, but is nonzero, so it becomes a matter of figuring out which section of the sample is garbage and which isn't... thankfully, I do have an idea what might work when it comes to getting around this.

The other option is to use Disch's sound library, since he's putting one together that wraps SDL_Sound, and he just started taking a bunch of time to write all the windows file code and such, too.


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Posted on 06-14-09 02:05:05 AM Link
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Good News, Everyone!

Thanks to a little help from Disch, The cause of the looping issue has been found, *and* we've got a new (and better) audio library - dshlib. So yeah, many thanks to Disch for his help.

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Posted on 06-14-09 03:15:24 AM Link
Disch...wow...that's a name I thought I'd never hear again. Glad to see we've got him on help.

Ought to have him post here if he feels up to it. I haven't talked to him in a long time and since #rom-hacking on IRC. I've talked to Leno more than him as it is.

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Posted on 06-18-09 03:15:12 PM Link
So uh...how goes?

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Posted on 06-18-09 06:38:01 PM Link
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Slow, seeing as my laptop's basically f*cked for now. I've still got everything (and it's been backed up to the SVN server), but until I get a new laptop (2-3 weeks at the most) I'm not able to do much of anything major.

Still, this is a great time for people to come up with level designs, enemy designs, etc.

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Posted on 06-19-09 12:17:03 AM Link
So I decided to pop in and say hi. Sukasa linked me to this thread from IRC when I was working with him figuring out those ogg weirdities.

I had been working on my dshlib library for a while -- it was meant as a general purpose lib that does stuff I find myself wanting to do in apps but haven't found good libs for (and thus I ended up writing and rewriting my own implementations for again and again). While it's overall meant to be general, it's slightly weighted toward game development.

I'm really glad Sukasa was willing to try it out, as it offers a good testbed. This sparks my interest in this game project, as I see it as a chance to get feedback on how my lib is working out.

I just finished adding an interface for zlib and am now trying to decide whether or not I should finish .zip file support, or adding a way around the samplerate mismatching limitation dshlib currently has with its audio output (right now you can only play files that have a samplerate matching your output samplerate -- this was giving Sukasa some trouble when I was dealing with him, as he was attempting to play 44KHz files on a 48KHz output device, which was failing). I thought I'd pop in this thread and ask, since I'm not sure which would be more relevent to the interests of the dev(s?) of this game. Higher priority stuff and whatnot would be focused on first.

I wonder if it would be too far out of line to discuss dshlib in this thread (it does sort of apply, but only loosely), or if I should start a new thread. Plus I suppose if anyone else on here is interested in using dshlib, I could dump a feature list. But I'll wait for direction before discussing it further.

Is there an IRC channel I can join to keep in touch with the dev(s) of this game? I haven't really seen Sukasa in my normal channels since the ogg problems were solved.

I'm interested to see how this project progresses! Keep us informed! =D

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Posted on 06-19-09 12:23:26 AM Link
Well, #julgame on BadnikNET is where they usually hang out, but uh...

Only expect to see hydra and I in there that often, and maybe Pandaren (Unless other people started going there since I was in last :x).

Sukasa's laptop is broken so he isn't in IRC right now.

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Posted on 06-19-09 02:32:42 AM (last edited by Sukasa at 06-18-09 11:33 PM) Link
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Yeah, the joint's fucked so the laptop's staying at work (consequently, no IRC :/), and this shit computer at home isn't powerful enough to really run anything anyways.

zlib would be wonderful, since that'd make it easier to keep the game portable as it gets nearer completion (and thus the data files get larger...) And right now, I'm the only active coder on the project, I',m not sure where Miasmir went... And of course, talk abouu dshlib in here if you want! If you want to keep in touch with me, I'll be able to post a little in the mornings and evening, so I won't be completely unavailable.

And yeah, irc://irc.badnik.net/JulGame is the official channel. When I get back online, I have a bot that can report SVN commits as they happen, too. Nice to see you here, Disch.

As far as dshlib was working, though... it was working excellently when I committed the last of my changes for a while to the SVN.

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Posted on 06-19-09 03:57:31 AM Link
Sorry, I meant to be helping out, but I chimed in before I was done solving my own problems.

...I seriously thought I would be done that night, too. Oh well. I think I'll be done tomorrow, but who knows? I'll be in IRC when I fix my laptop. Don't have a better estimate than that.

Also from what I saw Sukasa probably has the experience edge on me, and also my c++ is pretty shabby, so I might not be too much help anyway?

...but I've damn well written pathfinding engines and collision detection routines from scratch before I heard about libraries, so I think I can catch up.
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Posted on 06-19-09 04:19:20 AM Link
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Well, right now I still have a copy of the level spec that I'm working on (albeit slower than before), which I really should finish up. If anything miasmir, I suppose doing up a preliminary collision detection function would be great... here's some info for you:

sprites are stored in an array, accessed by "sprites[index]->property". Collision boxes are square only, and on a collision, the cde sees if sprite[index]->onPlayerCollide is NULL or if it has a value. If it's NULL, the sprites code just calls a generic doDamage() function, and if it's not NULL, it's treated as a function pointer with the signature (* void)(int). Other important values you might want are; playing->x, player->y, player->height, player->widte, sprite->x, sprite->y, sprite->width, sprite->height.

The window is 640x480, and tiles are 32x32px as well. Dunno if you're interested in working on collision with the level itself, though that'll need a bit of customizing after the level spec gets finalized.


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line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 205 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 205 column 1817 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
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line 344 column 1035 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 371 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 373 column 1308 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 373 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 375 column 1822 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
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line 429 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 455 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 486 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 516 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 518 column 2053 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
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line 544 column 1308 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 544 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 544 column 1858 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
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line 596 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 638 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
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line 698 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 730 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 335 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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