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Posted on 06-05-09 05:08:02 PM (last edited by Yume Kusanagi at 06-05-09 02:14 PM) Link
Fuck. Rain lost.

EDIT: Glad you liked DDS's OST there, Cirv.

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Posted on 06-05-09 06:11:09 PM Link
Although I don't recall any plans for having two fortresses, I see no problems with implementing your ideas in regards to the plot.

...However, I'm not too sure about your "Flash Stopper" related idea, though. When I was considering whether or not it could work in that fashion, I realized just how unsure I was on the specifics of how this game is going to play out. Of course, these specifics may not exactly exist yet, but we should still find out if it would really work in its current form. A potential problem, for example, is that it apparently requires every player-character to have a certain power, and I'm not sure if that idea is possible in the context of these characters.
I suppose we'll just have to see what everyone else has to say about it.
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Posted on 06-05-09 06:20:43 PM Link
Whatever works...I don't think anyone's going to cry over it if a few things get changed here and there.

Just don't fuck with my shit though, s'all I'm saying.

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Posted on 06-05-09 07:02:54 PM (last edited by Yume Kusanagi at 06-05-09 04:05 PM) Link
So let's see here...

Anya (up in the air for what she does and bosses do; no word)
Rain (boss material down, attacks down, level info barest bones and dialogue on hold)
Teyla (in transit?)
Kasua (in transit?)
Viarra (what happened?)

von Meister (quite a bit down)
big boss man (not sure)

Intros --> 4 bosses --> fort (A) --> fort (B) --> end/EX

That how it goes? A being Cirv, B being RS? What's in fort A? B? Any extra stages inbetween? Do I have this diagrammed wrong?

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Posted on 06-05-09 07:23:02 PM Link
As far as I know, your diagram is correct, Fort A belongs to von Meister, Fort B belongs to Stein, and the specifics of everything else still need to be worked out.
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Posted on 06-05-09 09:56:59 PM (last edited by GuyPerfect at 06-05-09 06:57 PM) Link
Originally posted by Cirvante
I remember Tyty jokingly challenging me to come up with a maths-based boss on IRC.

I have delivered.

I noticed something while checking the document:

                        [C][B]

                        [ ]

                  [ ][ ][ ]           Area: Meister Citadel/90-99F

                  [ ]                       Inner Sanctum Elevator- To Main Control Center

                  [ ]                 Length: 19 rooms

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[ ][ ][ ][ ]      [ ]

         [ ]      [ ]

         [ ][ ][C][ ]


Key: [ ] - Room

     [C] - Checkpoint

     [B] - Boss room


I know it's the Mega Man way to be straight linear like this, but I think a few branching paths to find keys or whatever (a la Subspace Emissary) would add quite a bit to the overall enjoyment factor without turning it into "Metroidvania."
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Posted on 06-05-09 11:31:07 PM Link
A) Not even close to the final design, it's really just a placeholder for now;

B) So far I don't think we're too opposed to the "Metroidvania" dynamic as to refuse even considering; look at Mega Man ZX/Advent, for example. Manages to pull off being both Megaman and Metroidvania quite well without becoming too un-linear

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Posted on 06-05-09 11:32:40 PM Link
Originally posted by GuyPerfect
I know it's the Mega Man way to be straight linear like this, but I think a few branching paths to find keys or whatever (a la Subspace Emissary) would add quite a bit to the overall enjoyment factor without turning it into "Metroidvania."


Think Rondo! (branching paths led to alternate stages and areas)

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:00:57 AM Link
I was thinking, after we defeat a boss, the character could make a (hopefully witty) comment.

Like, with Teyla being active to beat Von Meister...

"Looks like you forgot to carry the one."

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:11:14 AM Link
Rain'd have more of a conversation than that...

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:15:15 AM Link
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As far as the megavania concept goes, I think perhaps a way to do it would be to have a set of mostly linear levels that all branch off a set of nonlinear "hub" type levels, with a few changes to keep things interesting. This is the approach Megaman ZX took, and it worked out fairly well as far as fortresses and such go, and it gives a reason for Von Meister to point the player towards Stein's fortress.

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:21:00 AM Link
That's quite a bit of work then...and I'd not like to get caught in a bunch of backtracking if you can get away with it.

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:22:13 AM Link
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Teleporter rooms

Also, having the MMZX-style levels means you can hide upgrades like more HP or items or such around, though I don't know if we have any of those planned at all ;;

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:23:12 AM Link
So lemme see if I get this straight...

Pull a usual MM on the first four bosses...when you get to the Forts...then employ this level in the format set forth here.

...I could see that working.

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:23:34 AM Link
The one complaint I have with that is getting lost.

I got really lost in ZX sometimes (Not so much Advent) and wound up accidentally returning to the start, happening upon boss fights, etc.

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:24:19 AM Link
Just have stuff like EASTMOST PENINSULA IS THE SECRET.

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:24:26 AM Link
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No, map the entire game via the MMZX style, but include teleporter rooms in strategic places so backtracking is minimized (if you choose to use the teleporters, at least)

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:25:20 AM Link
So you'd be able to go to areas that characters necessarily didn't clear?

Talkin' about the 5-people part at the beginning here.

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:25:42 AM Link
I don't think ZX had that much backtracking in it. It has Red save / mission stations, blue Teleport destinations at the start of each area, and Yellow stations that do what the Red stations do and teleport you either to the blue destinations or other yellow stations. Make it work right, and backtracking can be kept to a minimum.
(ZX had bosses come back from time to time for optional fights, and Advent let you take missions so you could refight them. Would that seem viable here?)

Also, thanks for ninja-ing me Sukasa.

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Posted on 06-06-09 01:25:48 AM Link
So then, more like ZX Advent style? There were teleporters everywhere in that one.

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line 539 column 266 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 708 column 612 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 743 column 560 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 752 column 216 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 766 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 746 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
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line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 205 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 234 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 236 column 1308 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
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line 238 column 1951 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 262 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 264 column 1308 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 264 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 277 column 2303 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 301 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 327 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 373 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 401 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 429 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 431 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 431 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 459 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 461 column 1308 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 461 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 461 column 1832 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 485 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 511 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 513 column 1308 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 513 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 513 column 1905 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 537 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 565 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 567 column 1308 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 567 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 571 column 1990 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 595 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 597 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 597 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 623 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 625 column 1308 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 625 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 625 column 1891 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 649 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 675 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 677 column 1308 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 677 column 1411 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 679 column 1920 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 703 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 741 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 743 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 743 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 399 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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