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Posted on 08-01-07 04:42:17 PM Link | Quote
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I haven't seen many of these around. Mine's a good example of a layout that uses no tables, but a fuckton of CSS hackery to get the positioning "just right".

Honestly I think mine (markup-wise) is cleaner, but...

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Posted on 08-01-07 04:44:14 PM Link | Quote
Daily Cycle II ~ 1679
Tableless layouts tend to break much more often than anything else (Kles's layout is a good example, maybe).

They really like going out of bounds and breaking other posts, too

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
Tableless layouts tend to break much more often than anything else (Kles's layout is a good example, maybe).

They really like going out of bounds and breaking other posts, too

I've heard a few people complained about mine, but honestly I can't tell what's broken unless someone shows a screenshot of it breaking. Then again, I've only (extensively) tested mine under Opera. YMMV.

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Posted on 08-01-07 04:47:52 PM Link | Quote
DPP - [internet://board/post59.bit] - 08-01-07 04:47 PM
File Edit View Settings ?
If you know what you are doing and test it before you use it, it will not break anything, see my layout as an example.

Also, IE is a pain in the ass when making div layouts. A big huge pain.
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Posted on 08-01-07 04:50:57 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by hydrapheetz
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Tableless layouts tend to break much more often than anything else (Kles's layout is a good example, maybe).

They really like going out of bounds and breaking other posts, too

I've heard a few people complained about mine, but honestly I can't tell what's broken unless someone shows a screenshot of it breaking. Then again, I've only (extensively) tested mine under Opera. YMMV.

Your background doesn't extend 100% to the bottom of the alloted postarea.

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Originally posted by Grey Mario
Your background doesn't extend 100% to the bottom of the alloted postarea.

This is probably because I was float: left;-ing the elements.

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DPP - [internet://board/post60.bit] - 08-01-07 04:56 PM
File Edit View Settings ?
Your layout is not now broke in firefox.

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Originally posted by Darkdata
Your layout is not now broke in firefox.

If it suddenly breaks, chances are I'm editing the stylesheet it uses. Just refresh.

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Daily Cycle II ~ 1700
Yeah, it works fine now

Although I like how some layouts can go off the screen or even totally goof up...

But there's one kind of tableless layout that I want to strangle; scroll layouts

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
But there's one kind of tableless layout that I want to strangle; scroll layouts

A kind of layout that is seemingly impossible to make decent?

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There have been decent scroll layotus, but never past that; even some of the ones I've seen now didn't even need to be, or have their text boxes so small even the tiniest posts (or a quote) will force scrolling

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Posted on 08-01-07 05:16:17 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
But there's one kind of tableless layout that I want to strangle; scroll layouts

Example: Luigi-San's layout. The textarea is way way too small and becomes annoying to scroll through (even though it works properly).
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Daily Cycle II ~ 1702
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I sent him a private message about that.. I'm going to remove it if it isn't fixed in a few hours.

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
There have been decent scroll layotus, but never past that; even some of the ones I've seen now didn't even need to be, or have their text boxes so small even the tiniest posts (or a quote) will force scrolling

Although hm, mine might large enough to permit a (somewhat decent) scrolling layout.

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Daily Cycle II ~ 1703
Yours doesn't need (and shouldn't use) a scrolling layout.

Avoid those things like the plague.

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dot dot dot
By the way, it's still broken (and for some reason, looks worse than a few minutes ago )

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DPP - [internet://board/post62.bit] - 08-01-07 05:29 PM
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Yep, I had to turn off styling in firefox to read some of the posts.

How about testing in a sandbox to keep the rest of us from going insane silly?

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Simplicity v1.1
Yea...your layout needs delortion.

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Posted on 08-01-07 06:47:30 PM Link | Quote
It's a layout... that I worked hard on. ^_^
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Honestly, I dont see what's so hard about just putting a table around your text. It's not like it HURTS it or anything

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Posted on 08-01-07 07:36:23 PM Link | Quote
I had a table less layout. It was Flash, with Dynamic Text.

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line 344 column 222 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 370 column 397 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 397 column 451 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 397 column 644 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 401 column 877 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 433 column 429 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 460 column 831 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 492 column 230 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 492 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 519 column 451 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 519 column 627 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 519 column 627 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 520 column 782 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 520 column 782 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 552 column 185 - Warning: <div> anchor "s" already defined
line 552 column 559 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 552 column 559 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 595 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 606 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 614 column 235 - Warning: <table> attribute "bgcolor" had invalid value "016F9D" and has been replaced
line 614 column 324 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 615 column 711 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 615 column 711 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 615 column 851 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 623 column 11 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" has invalid value "orange"
line 624 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 624 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 624 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 642 column 141 - Warning: <div> anchor "ddpost" already defined
line 642 column 222 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 323 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 570 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 682 column 16 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 682 column 59 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 682 column 59 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 682 column 102 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 682 column 102 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 682 column 145 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 682 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 682 column 188 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 682 column 188 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 683 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 683 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 683 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 704 column 827 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 704 column 827 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 710 column 37 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 717 column 252 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "888888" and has been replaced
line 725 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 725 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 725 column 244 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 734 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 739 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 719 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 205 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 239 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 268 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 286 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 315 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 342 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 368 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 395 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 431 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 458 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 490 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 517 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 550 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 577 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 611 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 614 column 13 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 614 column 235 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 640 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 668 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 670 column 1828 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 670 column 1945 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 670 column 2341 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 699 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 701 column 260 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 715 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 394 warnings and 1 error!

The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md