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Posted on 08-20-15 03:03:06 AM (last edited by jimbo1qaz at 08-20-15 05:18:43 AM) Link | Quote
So... I recently discovered that the amazing theme I heard on Vinesauce Cthulhu Mario is actually the underworld theme from Terranigma.

orig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n13K0yPCKOs
remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNED0AwSNnA

My plans to make an improved MIDI remix of the original were foiled when I realized that none of loveemu's tools, nor a recent build of vgmtrans, could recognize the format.

What SPC engine does Terranigma use?
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Posted on 08-20-15 05:48:00 AM (last edited by Keitaro at 08-20-15 05:51:01 AM) Link | Quote
just solo the individual tracks in an SPC player and transcribe it by ear you're planning to remix it anyway.

You could alternatively use SPC2MIDI, which is pretty hacky but works well enough. But I still say if you're gonna remix it, it's better to do your own thing since it'll be less tempting to just stick a soundfont on the original arrangement like a lot of people seem to do
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Posted on 08-20-15 06:48:12 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Keitaro


You could alternatively use SPC2MIDI, which is pretty hacky but works well enough. But I still say if you're gonna remix it, it's better to do your own thing since


> just solo the individual tracks in an SPC player and transcribe it by ear

Most MIDIs I find online are inaccurate. Most people online transcribe by ear and end up with inaccurate results. When I rip MIDIs, I end up with a result superior to what I find online.

> you're planning to remix it anyway.
> it'll be less tempting to just stick a soundfont on the original arrangement like a lot of people seem to do

I don't remix music to create a new, distinct song which is not authentic to the original. Songs I like, I want to preserve the sound, not completely overturn it.

Actually, I'm primarily working on high quality rerenders of music, which remain authentic to the original melody and arrangement, rather than creating a completely different experience.

Frustrated with the process of making non-reversible edits, I literally spent weeks on my writing my own MIDI processing programming environment. So all my recent songs are completely automated, except for initially fixing the tempo in Anvil Studio.

I pair up each MIDI with a hand-picked soundfont I assemble out of my collection of 5-10 free soundfonts. This is the primary creative process, given my high standards. I actually fixed several inconsistencies in FluidR3 and SGM soundfonts.

For example, check my DS Rainbow Road remake. Compare my video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH51ZCqAsfc) to a lazy soundfont job (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jYwhM2Bo7M) to the original (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD5GsDb_Cus).

SNES games can be improved immensely with a good soundfont. SMRPG Forest Maze. New (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zm-rWxwrtA) Old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abDCsQrDLTE)
Note that this one worked well with FluidR3, even without much changes.

I'll try to check out SPC2MIDI, but from experience, it completely screws up the tempo. Maybe my next programming project will be reverse-engineering the Quintet SPC engine. But given my lack of ASM/SPC700 experience, I'm not so sure.
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Well, the tempo is easy enough to fix, at least. Just a simple value change in your midi editor more commonly I find it doesn't handle drums too well...though you can cheat a little bit.
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Posted on 08-20-15 07:59:52 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Keitaro
Well, the tempo is easy enough to fix, at least. Just a simple value change in your midi editor more commonly I find it doesn't handle drums too well...though you can cheat a little bit.

The problem with SPC2MIDI is that it picks an arbitrary tempo, then throws on events at the right time, but with no regard to the SPC engine's underlying tempo.

loveemu's tools have a problem with putting down two tempo events at the beginning, one being wrong. That's what I manually fix.
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