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Posted on 05-20-12 04:41:11 AM Link | Quote
Some of you might remember that Rareware Central released a prototype version of Battletoads that never made it to the video game market. I've been playing with the rom every now and then and looking at it with a hex editor and I think I found some unused content. It is nothing big but I found a list of level names and the list seems to match with the levels actually found in the game. As far as I can tell, these names aren't displayed anywhere in the game. Now my first question is can I create a new page for this unreleased game? In other words, does a game have to have been officially released into the market in order to be on TCRF?

The second thing I want to mention is that this prototype has some basic debugging features. These debugging features are not unused on the rom but since we are talking about a prototype rom for a game that never hit the market, would this be acceptable to add to TCRF?

I just want to follow the rules/guidelines ahead of time before going through any effort of creating a new page. I'm hoping that at least one admin for TCRF will respond.

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Posted on 05-20-12 05:29:20 AM Link | Quote

isn't the whole game technically unused content?

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Posted on 05-20-12 05:44:15 AM Link | Quote


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Yeah, that is totally acceptable: we even have a category for unreleased games.

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Posted on 05-20-12 06:53:31 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Sanky
Yeah, that is totally acceptable: we even have a category for unreleased games.


Ok then, I will create a new page with the level names as well as describe the debugging features in the game within a day. Here is another question though with the point that krutomisi brings up. Since everything is unused, could I pick anything interesting about the game and post it to the new page I am going to create? For example, right now I have a ton of time to kill and feel like ripping the graphics for the levels present on the rom and putting them on the new page. In other words, I want to show the level layouts that are present on the rom. Would this be acceptable?

If adding the level layouts is acceptable then may I ask the best way to rip out the level graphics? If you look at the Wario Land 4 page and look at the image for the "Lost Room" or the Debug Level, they are beautifully ripped from the game.
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Posted on 05-20-12 09:38:10 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Sanky
Yeah, that is totally acceptable: we even have a category for unreleased games.

WAIT, we actualy had a category for unrealsed games? Why do I know about it only now?
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Posted on 05-20-12 11:54:25 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cuber456
Since everything is unused, could I pick anything interesting about the game and post it to the new page I am going to create?

Judging from the other games on the unreleased games list, you can't actually do that.
Even though the levels were never released, if they were still used in the unreleased copy that you have, which as far as anyone is concerned is the latest and final version of the game, they don't count as unused. The level names however were apparently not even used in the beta, and should fit on TCRF nicely.

Basically, anything that you can access easily in the unreleased copy counts as used. If the debugging is a simple button-click away, without having to use PAR or having to type some complex button-combo, it shouldn't count as unused content. Or at least that's how I view it (I guess we'll have to wait for an actual admin to have a word on this)
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I think you should ask yourself two things:
- Would this end up in a release?
- Is this interesting, worth mentioning?

A debug mode would most definitely not be released, therefore documenting it is perfectly fine. As for the levels and graphics.. If there are any placeholders or stuff which looks unfinished, go ahead. Otherwise, I leave it up to you.

Also, please keep in mind my word is not final.

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Posted on 05-20-12 06:39:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Sanky
I think you should ask yourself two things:
- Would this end up in a release?
- Is this interesting, worth mentioning?

A debug mode would most definitely not be released, therefore documenting it is perfectly fine. As for the levels and graphics.. If there are any placeholders or stuff which looks unfinished, go ahead. Otherwise, I leave it up to you.

Also, please keep in mind my word is not final.


Ok I will keep all of this in mind. As far as levels are concerned, only the first two levels would probably have been released if the game made it to the market. All the other levels use placeholder graphics or seem like they are just test levels. That is not to say that the first two levels are complete though. The first level has a particularly weird glitch in it while the second level has no enemies at all. None of the levels can be exited without using the debugging feature.

I guess I'll start writing the new page now.
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Posted on 05-20-12 10:51:23 PM Link | Quote
I finally have the page created and I think it is ok for a start. You can see it here:

http://tcrf.net/Battletoads_(GBA)

While I was looking at the levels, I realized that some of the levels are early versions of other levels on the rom. I really need to find a way to rip the level graphics for this game so I can compare the levels. That would be really cool to have on the page! Can someone give me a pointer on how to do that?

Thanks!
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Posted on 05-20-12 10:53:50 PM Link | Quote
The whole game is unused. Document everything.

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Posted on 05-22-12 03:21:02 AM Link | Quote
Here is another question. This game doesn't have a title screen at all. When you start the game you automatically start off in the first level. What should I do for the title screen image for the page? Should I screenshot what the game looks like when you start it up? If not, is there a way to remove that hideous "NO IMAGE AVAILABLE" screen from the page? I'd rather get rid of it than leave the message there.
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Posted on 05-22-12 01:01:33 PM (last edited by BMF54123 at 05-22-12 01:03:30 PM) Link | Quote
No, don't put a gameplay shot, that would look silly. Maybe we need a way to hide the title screen entirely (or is there already a way, and I'm just dense)?

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Posted on 05-22-12 02:44:57 PM Link | Quote

couldn't you like just upload a blank image

that would at least remove the no image image

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Posted on 05-22-12 03:09:53 PM Link | Quote
Or maybe we need a "This prototype does not have a title screen" graphic.
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Posted on 05-23-12 12:00:55 AM Link | Quote
You could also just use an existing image at the smallest possible size, though that leaves the big empty space and couple of extra pixels at the top.

Or you could add some kind of "noimage" option to the template

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Posted on 05-23-12 09:21:38 AM Link | Quote
Post #4780 · 05-23-12 04:21:38 AM
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Or maybe we need a "This prototype does not have a title screen" graphic.
This.

Or just a gameplay shot with a note that there's no title screen to show.

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I added a new feature last night: include "noscreen=y" at the top of the bob tag, and it will omit the title screen image/placeholder entirely. I already edited the Battletoads article to use this.

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line 215 column 222 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 216 column 373 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 579 column 270 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 580 column 421 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 662 column 4714 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 691 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 694 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 209 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 352 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md