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Posted on 03-29-14 01:23:47 AM (last edited by GoldS at 03-29-14 01:24:32 AM) Link | Quote


Anyone want to take a shot at translating these? They're from Shining Force II's creation myth about the three demon kings and the holy sword. The text belongs to the 3rd and 5th statues respectively.

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Posted on 03-29-14 02:01:41 AM (last edited by Joe at 03-29-14 02:02:27 AM) Link | Quote
戦いのはて　しょうりしたゼオンを
すべての悪魔が　王の中の王とよぶ
ねたんだ２人の王は　ゼオンをおそい
その力を　ほうせきにふうじたり

Official translation: "Zeon won. And every devil named him the King of the Devils. The other two kings envied Zeon. They sealed his powers inside the Jewel of Evil."

My attempt: "Zeon won, and all the devils named him the King of Kings. The other two kings envied Zeon. They sealed his powers inside a jewel."

賢き神は　悪魔の戦いをかなしみ
ただしき力を　つくり上げる
ただしき力は　貴い人をえらび
貴い人は　賢き神の山で剣をきたえる


Official translation: "Grieving over the fight, the God of Wisdom created the Jewel of Light. The Jewel of Light chose a brave man and gave him a Holy Sword."

My attempt: "Grieving over the fight, the God of Wisdom created the Force of Righteousness. The Force of Righteousness chose a noble man. The man forged a sword atop the Mountain of the God of Wisdom."



The differences are only minor.

edit: holy zeon that filter

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Posted on 03-29-14 02:09:07 AM (last edited by GoldS at 03-29-14 02:11:29 AM) Link | Quote
Thank you! The April prototype uses "Power of Light" for the second text, which is why I asked. It also made a mistake in saying his powers were sealed inside jewels, not a jewel, which is a mistake that pops up a few times.

The most famous Lucifer/Dark Dragon change in the legend isn't in the April draft either.

EDIT: I just found out what filter you were talking about.

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Posted on 03-29-14 02:10:40 AM Link | Quote
Japanese is more ambiguous about quantities than English, so it's possible the translator couldn't tell if it should be plural or not.

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Posted on 03-29-14 08:36:15 PM Link | Quote
Got a few more storyteller texts that I'd like translated, if you may.

April draft:
Zeon lost all his power
and fell to the earth,
deep into the valley.
His moan destroyed the
mountains and the valley
was buried by the debris.

Final draft:
When Zeon lost his powers,
he fell to Earth, and created
a giant crater when he hit.
His moan destroyed the
mountains and the crater
was buried by the debris.


April Draft:
In the event of Zeon
awakening, the power of light
will anther choose a brave man
.
Believe us. Believe yourself.Att
ack the devil at his mouth
with your sacred sword.

Final Draft:
In the event of Zeon
awakening, the power of light
will choose another.
Believe us. We lie not.
Attack the devil at his mouth
with the Holy Sword.

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Posted on 03-29-14 11:34:22 PM Link | Quote
力を　うしなったゼオンは
アークバレーの　ひのうみにのまれる
ゼオンのなげきは　山をくだき
たには　ゼオンとともにうもれる

"When Zeon lost his powers, he was engulfed by the sea of fire in Arc Valley. His moan destroyed the mountains and trapped him in the valley."

まんがいち　悪しき力はたらく時
神の力　また貴い人をえらばん
ただしき力を　しんじるがよい！
剣をとり　悪魔のくちにくらわせよ

"If by some chance his evil power returns, the power of the gods will again choose a noble man. Trust the Force of Righteousness! Take the sword and strike the mouth of the devil."

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Posted on 03-30-14 08:19:02 PM Link | Quote
Woah, why haven't I checked this thread in a while? Shining Force stuff's goin down! x.x

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Posted on 04-29-14 06:33:32 PM (last edited by einstein95 at 05-03-14 06:20:19 AM) Link | Quote
So anyone who's used that M64 Text Wrangler or whatever knows about the 6 blank entries at the end of the Acts list. I got bored and started documenting the text encoding after google told me nothing, blah blah blah, alphabetical order, blah blah blah, han/dakuten control code, blah blah blah, quite similar. Anyway, here's the same entries in the Japanese version, all cleaned up for translation:

１００まいコインの スター
マウンテンのへやが ひらく！
みずとゆき２つのへやが ひらく！
おおきなほしの ドアがひらく！
クッパへの とびらがひらく！
３がいへの とびらがひらく！

The first one (100 Points Star) is still present in SM64DS.

EDIT: In an area that the text mangler doesn't edit, the star select names or something, sandwiched between "THE SECRET AQUARIUM" and "CASTLE SECRET STARS" is, drumroll, an empty entry. Again, this has the text おいしいケーキ in the JP version.

EDIT2: The text just comes piling in.

ＳＴＡＧＥ ＳＥＬＥＣＴ
つづける？
１ マウンテン
２ ファイアーバブル
３ スノースライダー
４ ウォーターランド
クッパ１ごう
もどる

ＰＡＵＳＥ
つづける？
やめる ？

This is present in the US version, but since the Japanese encoding was changed/removed, it wouldn't show up anyway.

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Posted on 05-04-14 05:58:31 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by einstein95
１００まいコインの スター
マウンテンのへやが ひらく！
みずとゆき２つのへやが ひらく！
おおきなほしの ドアがひらく！
クッパへの とびらがひらく！
３がいへの とびらがひらく！
100-Coin Star
The room inside the mountain is open!
The second water and snow room is open!
The big star door is open!
The door to Bowser is open!
The door to the third floor is open!

Originally posted by einstein95
おいしいケーキ
Delicious cake

Originally posted by einstein95
ＳＴＡＧＥ ＳＥＬＥＣＴ
つづける？
１ マウンテン
２ ファイアーバブル
３ スノースライダー
４ ウォーターランド
クッパ１ごう
もどる

ＰＡＵＳＥ
つづける？
やめる ？
STAGE SELECT
Continue?
1: Mountain
2: Fire bubble
3: Snow slider
4: Water land
Bowser number 1
Back

PAUSE
Continue?
Quit?

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I wonder if someone could have a look at these screens, which are from very early 1995 demos of Omega Boost for the PSX. The final game came out in 1999, so I'm curious as to what the "How To Play" screens say. Thanks!










The games on are Volumes 2 and 3 of the Playstation Club demo discs posted by Lamont over at Assemblergames.
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Posted on 05-12-14 06:31:36 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Joe
力を　うしなったゼオンは
アークバレーの　ひのうみにのまれる
ゼオンのなげきは　山をくだき
たには　ゼオンとともにうもれる

"When Zeon lost his powers, he was engulfed by the sea of fire in Arc Valley. His moan destroyed the mountains and trapped him in the valley."

まんがいち　悪しき力はたらく時
神の力　また貴い人をえらばん
ただしき力を　しんじるがよい！
剣をとり　悪魔のくちにくらわせよ

"If by some chance his evil power returns, the power of the gods will again choose a noble man. Trust the Force of Righteousness! Take the sword and strike the mouth of the devil."


Hello, I just wanted to offer what I felt was a more literal translation for these passages. Most of these are only stylistic changes though, and are within the bounds of artistic interpretation.

"The Sea of Fire in Arc Valley swallowed Zeon, whom had lost his powers. Zeon's cry of grief shattered the mountain, burying him with the valley."

力をうしなったゼオン is a sentence modifier, so would render into English as "Zeon who had lost his powers". There's no "when" specifically stated here, but is obviously implied. If it were, it have been more like ゼオンが力を失うと...

のまれる is an active verb in this particular instance, not a passive, so it would be "The sea swallowed Zeon", not "Zeon was swallowed by the sea".

たにはゼオンとともに is "Zeon and the valley together", so I felt specifically mentioning that in the translation would be better.


For the next one, I have
"If by some chance, there's a time where his evil power returns,
the power of the gods shall once again choose a noble man.
Trust in the Power of Righteousness!
Wielding the sword, strike the mouth of the demon!"

えらばん　is classical Japanese, and is like a stronger version of ましょう so I felt like using "shall" here captures the nuance better. That's also the reason I felt that "wielding the sword" would fit better. The たり form is also nominalizing it, so it would be "wielding the sword, doing X" and not "wield the sword and then do X".

Again, most of these changes are stylistic, but I felt like some of them captured the original grammar slightly better.

Also, I'm glad I previewed my post. There's an interesting wordfilter here...
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Posted on 05-12-14 07:08:48 AM (last edited by inductor at 05-12-14 07:25:35 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by dr_kirk
I wonder if someone could have a look at these screens, which are from very early 1995 demos of Omega Boost for the PSX. The final game came out in 1999, so I'm curious as to what the "How To Play" screens say. Thanks!


The games on are Volumes 2 and 3 of the Playstation Club demo discs posted by Lamont over at Assemblergames.


Here is what I translated with Bast's help. Thanks for your help, Bast

OMEGA BOOST page1
★Comment from the development team
This is the time attack version, which is only 30% complete compared to the final version of the game as of November, 1995. Although there are still some rough edges, please enjoy trying to get a good score with this version.

HOW TO PLAY
This mission is to destroy all floating enemy bases and vehicles on the front lines. The mission will be completed if you destroy all enemies shown as red and yellow signals on the right of the cockpit.

Page2
The enemy's bases are protected by walls, but they can be destroyed. There are also undestroyable objects, but weak points will be shown on the monitor.

There are bomber towers that look like meteors around each base. They also seem to be gathering troops and are nearly finished. Be aware of them.

GOOD LUCK



PAGE 01
HOW TO PLAY

The object of this mission is to destroy the enemy's fortresses and the fleets protecting said fortresses.The enemy's bases are protected by rotating walls, but they can be destroyed. There are also undestroyable objects, but weak points will be shown on the monitor. There are bomber towers that look like meteors around each base. They also seem to be gathering troops and are nearly finished. Be aware of them.

The mission will be completed if you destroy all enemies shown as red and yellow signals on the right of the cockpit.

PAGE 02

Comment from the development team

This is the re-made time attack version, which is only contains the second of 8 stages from the 50% complete version, as opposed to the final version of the game as of March, 1996. Although there are still some rough edges, please enjoy trying to get a high score with this version.

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It's nice to see someone other than me translating things. Welcome to Jul!

(Looks like I need to study more...)

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Originally posted by inductor
Here is what I translated with Bast's help. Thanks for your help, Bast


Thank you very much for the translation. It's interesting that the game was 50% done in March 1996, yet took another three years to be released. I wonder if any of the beta versions will ever come to light. I'm doing a page on the demos for my website. Mind if I quote the translated text, with the two of you credited?
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Posted on 05-12-14 09:01:51 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Joe
It's nice to see someone other than me translating things. Welcome to Jul!

(Looks like I need to study more...)


Haha it was done by me + Bast, so both of Japanese and English native speakers made it
We discussed it for a few hours lol that was not "quick" and I'm sure I seriously suck at writing English, especially translating something into English... lol

Originally posted by dr_kirk

Thank you very much for the translation. It's interesting that the game was 50% done in March 1996, yet took another three years to be released. I wonder if any of the beta versions will ever come to light. I'm doing a page on the demos for my website. Mind if I quote the translated text, with the two of you credited?


Just post it, if I feel I can, I'll post something for it

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Posted on 05-13-14 04:04:52 AM (last edited by Bast at 05-13-14 11:07:20 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Joe
It's nice to see someone other than me translating things. Welcome to Jul!

(Looks like I need to study more...)


Thanks! I hope I didn't come across as being mean. I'm a grammar nut and just wanted to point out a few minor nits. As a whole, your translations were still pretty good. When translating Japanese to English there's a lot of room for artistic license, but I still tend to prefer a more literal translation as opposed to a more figurative one, but there are people who prefer figurative over literal too.

A lot of it comes down to preference and I wanted to post mine so that people who prefer more literal translations wouldn't feel left out

Originally posted by dr_kirk
Originally posted by inductor
Here is what I translated with Bast's help. Thanks for your help, Bast


Thank you very much for the translation. It's interesting that the game was 50% done in March 1996, yet took another three years to be released. I wonder if any of the beta versions will ever come to light. I'm doing a page on the demos for my website. Mind if I quote the translated text, with the two of you credited?


Please feel free, but inductor is the one who did the J->E translation. I only helped to proofread and polish up the resulting English text, so he should get more credit than me (a *lot* more )

edit: Would you mind sharing a link to your site? I'd like to check it out
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Posted on 05-14-14 04:21:28 AM Link | Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHTm1dAQ9M

There's a translation in the comments, BUT I figured I'd run it by you all just to be sure.
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Originally posted by sebmal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHTm1dAQ9M

There's a translation in the comments, BUT I figured I'd run it by you all just to be sure.


Basically his comment is right, but I doubt that it's really like "Oh! I'll announce it!" as he says. Because she was just announcing it but not she would. So it should be just like "It's 12:10 sharp." in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Bast
edit: Would you mind sharing a link to your site? I'd like to check it out


Sorry, I've been away for a week. My website is here. Hope it's of interest. I think there's enough in the two demos to warrant their own page.
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Message in City Connection:
"KONO PROGRAM O HIROMI NI SASAGEMASU"
Hiromi is listed in the high score table.

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