Originally posted by everyone

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(bickering about MMX7)

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Guys, can it, it's getting annoying. This isn't the time or the place to have an argument about the merits of games on the wiki -- we have a ton of bad games on the wiki. There's no point in bitching about "OH GOD MMX7 IS SO BAD I WON'T GO THROUGH IT" or "WHY WON'T YOU GO THROUGH MMX7, IT WAS OKAY." That's not the point.

The real point: MMX7 quite possibly has unused content in it. Someone will actually use this knowledge productively and go through it when it's convenient for them to do so, thus furthering our understanding of its development. There's also a demo available that gives us a look earlier into the game's life, so that would be interesting to look at as well. That is all that needs to be said about it. We don't usually take the game's quality into account when we're dissecting it, and for good reason -- some of our best content comes from games that either aren't very good, or aren't easily approached due to language barriers.

tl;dr: There's content, someone really oughta look at it eventually. Quit arguing and move on.

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Here's the first chunk.

Originally posted by Neo

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イタ！
Ow!

イテ！
Oww!

えっ！？
Huh?!

グヘ！
Gah!

い、いたいチャオォ…。
なんでボクをイジメるチャオ？
ボクわるいこと、してないチャオ…。
もう…おウチにかえるチャオ。
T.. that hurt...
Why do you keep bullying me?
I didn't do anything wrong...
That's it... I'm going home.

いたいチャオ！
スッゴクいたかったチャオ！
もう怒ったチャオ！！
何にも教えてあげないチャオ！プン！
Ouch!
That really hurt!
Now I'm angry!
I'm not gonna teach you anything! Hmph!

イテテテ…
まったく、なんてことするチャオ
信じらんないチャオ
人はみかけによらないチャオ
Owowowowow
Really, why're you doing this?
I can't believe it.
What kind of person does things like that? (literally, more like "looks can be deceiving")

ナ、ナニ！？
ナニがおこったチャオ？
ボクはだれ？
ココはどこ？？
W...what?!
Why are you so mad?
Who am I?
Where am I??

きゃー！やめてー！
ボクをはなしてー！
Gahh! Stop it!
I was talking!

あ、コラ！
やめろチャオ！
Hey, you! ("kora" is how moms scold children. kora = Hey! Stop that!)
Quit it!

きゃー！やめてー！
ボクをはなしてー！
Gahh! Stop it!
I was talking!

あ、コラ！
やめろチャオ！
Hey, you!
Quit it!

おねがいチャオ！
ボクをはなしてくれチャオー！
Please!
Just let me finish talking...!

ナニをするチャオ！？
ボクは煮ても焼いても、おいしくないチャオ！
What are you doing?!
Even if you bake or boil me, I'm not delicious!

キャー！キャー！
だれかたすけてチャオー！
Gahh! Gahhh!
Somebody help me!

ボ、ボクはあなたにヒントをあげる
味方チャオ！　敵じゃないチャオー！
I... I'm trying to give you hints!
I'm your friend! I'm not a bad guy!

オモチャオ,ゴメン、ゴメン！　わかったチャオ！
もうオネショしないチャオ！
Omochao, I'm so sorry! I understand!
I won't wet the bed anymore! (TL NOTE: WHAT)

ボ、ボクを投げて、エネミーをたおす
なんて、止めてくれチャオー！
...you... you threw me at an enemy and killed it...
Why?! Just stop already!

ダレかー！ダレかきてチャオー！
ひとさらいチャオー！
Someone! Someone help me!
I'm being kidnapped!

イイカゲンにしないとボクもおこるチャオ！
ママにいいつけるチャオ！
Don't be so reckless with me!
I'll tell your Mom!

ふー、たすかったチャオ…。
びっくりしたチャオ。
Whoa, you saved me...
I'm amazed

もー！なんてことするチャオ！
ゆるさないチャオ！！
Hmph! What do you think you're doing?!
I won't forgive you!

あー、ビックリしたチャオ。
ヒント忘れちゃったチャオ…。
Ahh! I was so shocked...
I forgot all my hints...

ダッコしてくれて、アリガトチャオ！
でも、ちょっとランボウだったチャオ。
Thanks for carrying me!
But, you're a little rough...

ヤメテー…
STOOOOP IIIIT...

アワワワー…
Awawawa... (crying noises?)

たすけてー…
Help meeee...

バイバーイ…
Bye bye‾

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One of those -really- surprised me.

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Originally posted by Joe

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An extremely literal translation would be: "At this time we would like to thank you sincerely for purchasing T.M.N.T. 2: The Manhattan Project by Konami."

The first line of the Japanese text corresponds to the phrases "at this time" and "by Konami" in the above sentence. Please don't assume Google Translate is correct, especially with Japanese.

I wouldn't use such a literal translation in most cases, though. I'd choose something much more natural-sounding, such as the current translation on the wiki.

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For those interested in the mechanics of this sentence -- or how Google Translate is generally a terrible choice, especially when it comes to Japanese -- I wanna split this up a little. (Also I'm really tired and this looked like something fun to do.)

このたびは、コナミの
"Kono tabi wa" is literally "at this time." "Konami no" is "Konami" followed by "no," which is a possessive particle.
T・M・N・T・2

-ザ　マンハッタン　プロジェクト-
TITLE OF THE GAME

を、おかいあげいただきまして、
"wo" is the particle used for verbing things. "Okaiageitadakimashite" is the verb for "to buy" sandwiched between a lot of really polite word attachments to inform the purchaser exactly how grateful Konami is, followed by "te", which changes "okaiageitadakimasu" into the gerund form of "okaiageitadakimashite," coupling it to the next sentence.

まことに、ありがとうございます。
"makoto ni" is essentially another intensifier -- "really," "truly," "sincerely," words like that. the last part, "arigatou gozaimasu" is "Thank you."

Now, if you put that together in literal translation, it'll look like a mess. "At this time, Konami's "TMNT: The manhattan project" you bought our humble game sincerely thank you so much." That isn't really legible. So, you rephrase and rework and make it make sense. And that was way too much Japanese information in one post, but I felt like explaining. Derp.

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Originally posted by Killer Bob

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No idea, and at this point I'm actually not sure what the rewritten japanese script says. Will need to get the complete japanese conversation so Glitterberri or someone else can tell us how faithfully they translated it for the GBA version.

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They did indeed totally rewrite it in Japanese. Not going through the whole ordeal, but, the last few lines?

"リンクよ…
ゼルダ姫をお救いするのだ。
それが、ナイトの一族さだめ
された運命…

だが…運命に…まけ…るな…。

…リンク…。
お前とくらした…日々は…
たのし…かった…ぞ…。"

"Link...
You have to save Princess Zelda.
That's our family's destiny as knights. (this is a little loose -- the literal is like "That's the destiny of the members of the family of knights.")
But don't... don't succumb ... to fate...

...Link...
I'll... always cherish
the time... we had to... ge... ther... (Literally: "Link, the time we spent together... it... was fun...")

AND THEN HE DIES.

But yeah, Nintendo totally rewrote it in Japanese, and did a perfectly good job translating it.

Can't understand how they got "Zelda is your" out of "omae wa, zeruda-hime no..." (You are Zelda's...), though. Someone had his particles switched.


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y'all need to step up your games and vote for Hubrecht. He's Mr. Heart from Hokuto no Ken, and Aino Heart from Arcana Heart, rolled up into one big, cuddly grab character, which this game oh so desperately needs. No, Cerebella doesn't count, she's not Giefy enough.

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Originally posted by interdpth

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Also, please keep the non-metroid related shit out of this thread.

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Hi there! You seem to be confused and think you're the moderator.

You're not.

That being said, as the moderator: The stuff about the totally-destroyed Lufia proto is off-topic, no matter how insanely stupid the handling of the entire ordeal was. Not that it helps much, because when you actually look at what *IS* on-topic...

...the amount of information you can glean from screenshots of maps is incredibly tiny. Without someone who knows what they're doing combing through the ROM, the only information you're going to have is "well, the map looks slightly different." You won't know if there's unused text strings, you won't know if there's dummied-out graphics data, you won't know a lot of things. An eventual release is really the only hope of actual documentation -- screenshots of something that we can't actually verify are just going to languish in the forum.

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Originally posted by einstein95

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Listen, what everyone is saying is basically, release the roms for everyone to look at, or GTFO . Stop waving your screenshots around showing us what we cannot have, due to the sick pleasure you get out of hoarding these roms and getting everyone else to do the dirty work without giving anything back in return.

You disgust me.

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I appreciate your frustration, but personal attacks aren't necessary.

If this thread keeps descending into stupid, I'm gonna have to close it. It's not really helping the wiki -and- it's generally bringing out the worst in people.

Last chance, guys -- sort it out or stuff it.

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Originally posted by Cuber456

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Originally posted by Gabu

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Could it be possible to make something similar to DYKG, like a Youtube channel for TCRF? Unless we're already doing that. But even then, it'd be too easy to be called a ripoff, wouldn't it?

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It depends on how it is done. What I would say is not to do the videos in the style DYKG does it which is to have a whole string of facts in a video. A video isn't a substitute for a nicely written article. Instead they would be videos showcasing one specific fact. A lot of the videos I have posted on TWW page are just that. They showcase something specific and they are generally short. A whole collection of videos from different games in a format like that would not be ripping off DYKG. With a pool of such videos then perhaps you could attract a bigger audience Xkeeper.

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I was thinking of suggesting this, myself. Videos that highlight things like debug menus or byzantine secrets that require absurd method of access (hi, Erina to Satoru no Yume Bouken!). Not rapid-fire "facts" that are of questionable accuracy, but straightforward videos that serve as introductions or guides to specific things on the wiki.

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Originally posted by krutomisi

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or are there some other solid offerings for the console?

I'm honestly not sure what it has to offer,
games for it look like they are fun but seem a bit iffy

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MONSTER HUNTER 3U.

Seriously. I've sunk over 130 hours into it, and I'm BARELY under halfway on the content. Oh god, this fucking game, it eats all my free time.

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I need to actually... pay more attention to AC. D: The last time I played was over a week and a half ago, and now the only reason why I haven't played is because I'm dreading the inevitable cleanup and missing townspeople. AC is great until you fall behind, and then it's just... blargh.

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I'm honestly wondering if I won't lose any townspeople if I totally defeat the spirit of things and wind time back, and then just do quick bursts of repairs and slowly move time forwards. I might try that this afternoon, go full damage-control mode.

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Originally posted by Sik

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"Wanking"? Uh... yeah, okay...

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It's a delicate process, best left undisturbed.

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Sorry for the brief/short-notice post (it's in two days), but is anyone going to Otakon? Me and my Flint costume are gonna be there all weekend. I had no idea I was going until last month, and was meaning to create a topic sooner, but... Well, here we are, me on an MTA bus to Brooklyn going "shit, I forgot to thread."

tl;dr: if you're going to otakon and want to tcrf/jul meetup, post here/pm me.

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