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Posted on 08-08-08 06:10:27 PM Link | Quote
Yep.

An Experiment with Messaging in the Browser

Conversing (a.k.a. messaging) is a common online activity, and a number of desktop and web applications enable it. But with an increasing variety of protocols and providers, it’s getting harder and harder to keep track of all your conversations.

Could the web browser help you follow and participate in online discussions?

Snowl is an experiment to answer that question. It’s a prototype Firefox extension that integrates messaging into the browser based on a few key ideas:

1. It doesn’t matter where messages originate. They’re alike, whether they come from traditional email servers, RSS/Atom feeds, web discussion forums, social networks, or other sources.
2. Some messages are more important than others, and the best interface for actively reading important messages is different from the best one for casually browsing unimportant ones.
3. A search-based interface for message retrieval is more powerful and easier to use than one that makes you organize your messages first to find them later.
4. Browser functionality for navigating web content, like tabs, bookmarks, and history, also works well for navigating messages.


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Posted on 08-09-08 07:49:50 AM Link | Quote
Next, Mozilla OS? They seem to be treating Firefox as such already... Chatzilla, Snowl, etc; so many things that have absolutely nothing to do with web browsing, which is what Firefox is supposed to be for, and was built to be for. These "extensions" need to be separate programs, rather than Firefox extensions (which of course only increases Firefox's memory consumption to unbearable levels). They've pretty much fixed the memory problem in FF3... but these so-called extensions are just bringing it back; it's ridiculous.

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Posted on 08-09-08 12:03:22 PM Link | Quote
Firefox isn't the only browser Mozilla sports. There's always SeaMonkey
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Posted on 08-09-08 12:25:22 PM Link | Quote
1. It doesn’t matter where messages originate. They’re alike, whether they come from traditional email servers, RSS/Atom feeds, web discussion forums, social networks, or other sources.

There is already Thunderbird for e-mail. Firefox already does RSS. These messages come from different environments and must be handled differently; neither social networking messages nor forums are 1:1 conversations. RSS/Atom is not discussion at all. And what use is something that only displays messages? If you are trying to incorporate all of these (and include response mechanisms!), this "extension" will quickly outclass Firefox itself in size. There are too many different formats and different environments for "messages".

2. Some messages are more important than others, and the best interface for actively reading important messages is different from the best one for casually browsing unimportant ones.

This relies on being able to tell what messages are "important" and what ones are not. i.e., something the user should be able to manage on their own when presented with a list of messages. And even then, how so? I would not like every conversation that was important have a flashing red border or act any differently from any other message.

3. A search-based interface for message retrieval is more powerful and easier to use than one that makes you organize your messages first to find them later.

GMail has already accomplished this. Most RSS readers allow searching. Why bother?

4. Browser functionality for navigating web content, like tabs, bookmarks, and history, also works well for navigating messages.

And, likewise, most other browsers/clients already support tabbing.


This is just screaming "We're Mozilla, we have the biggest ego on the planet, let's reinvent everything just so we can slap 'Mozilla' on it and inflate our egos even more". Maybe I'm missing something, but Firefox doesn't need to be the cartoon Swiss Army Knife that has every single device ever created (including toaster).


I see no reason to create some new "All-in-Wonder" utility that is going to be subpar in all of its capabilities. Maybe it will catch on with egoheads that think "Ooh, now it can whatever!", but I think most of us will just pass it by in favor of, you know. Other tools that do a better job.


Excuse me while I vomit.

We’re still considering what may come after that, but possible extensions to the Snowl prototype include:
- support for additional message sources, e.g. Facebook, AIM, Google Talk, etc.;
an interface for writing and sending messages to enable true two-way conversations;
- an API to make it easier for developers to build new experimental interfaces, e.g. an instant message view.

I will just say that there is a very good reason why IM clients do not try to support all of these possible message formats, and there is a good reason why email/RSS readers do not support IMs.

But whatever, I guess. Another utter waste of programming talent, brought to you by "Download Day 2008" Mozilla Team.

And people wonder why I hate some of this open source bullshit.

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