Jul -- Gaming: The Lemmings Thread!

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Posted on 04-25-08 11:23:20 AM

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Haha! Oh wow, I recognized those levels instantly. Definitely remember playing them a lot.

Tricky 14 - MENACING!! - I remember playing this a lot simply for the music, if I remember right it was intense.

Taxing 15 - What an AWESOME level - This was pretty far into the game when I was younger, it was crazy.

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Posted on 04-25-08 08:55:10 PM (last edited by GuyPerfect at 04-25-08 05:59 PM)

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I've got some music for youse. I haven't been able to get Awesome to run, but I'm looking into it. These were recorded from the original games, not from Lemmings itself:

"Shadow of the Beast"
Used in: A Beast of a level
<Embed Src="http://perfectkiosk.net/Audio/jw.swf" Width="320" Height="19" FlashVars="file=http://perfectkiosk.net/Audio/ShadowOfTheBeast.mp3"></Embed>

"Carnage Rift" - Is actually the music for all stages in Menace
Used in: MENACING!!
<Embed Src="http://perfectkiosk.net/Audio/jw.swf" Width="320" Height="19" FlashVars="file=http://perfectkiosk.net/Audio/CarnageRift.mp3"></Embed>

"Land of Karamoon"
Used in: A BeastII of a level
<Embed Src="http://perfectkiosk.net/Audio/jw.swf" Width="320" Height="19" FlashVars="file=http://perfectkiosk.net/Audio/LandOfKaramoon.mp3"></Embed>

My sentiments towards these games is a bit backwards. The MENACING!! level looks rather disturbing, but Menace itself is actually your standard issue horizontal shooter. Even Carnage Rift itself didn't feel too moody. On the other hand, the peaceful forest of A Beast of a Level doesn't do so much to convey the dark atmosphere of Shadow of the Beast.

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Posted on 04-26-08 01:00:19 AM (last edited by Xeo at 04-25-08 10:03 PM)

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So this thread has really gotten me interested in playing the original again. Though, I'm all for getting a PC version since mouse controls will probably be a lot more fun to play with. What version(s) are the best?

I'll probably try out the DS one in time, though I need a flash drive or something to save it on.

I also don't mind the original graphics at all and actually prefer them (the images GuyPerfect posted is what I remember from the SNES version and I love that style).

I noticed there is some Lemmings collection on the PSX that looks really nice. Though they included the somewhat annoying "Yippee!" sound effect, graphics are different and the music is higher quality too, which doesn't really bother me. I might look into buying that if I can find it, but again, mouse controls would be better here, heh.

DHTML Lemmings doesn't seem bad, just a bit chunky and some of the stuff doesn't seem to work for me.

~~Yes I'll probably just download it if I can find it and get it working.~~

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Posted on 04-26-08 02:47:02 AM (last edited by GuyPerfect at 04-26-08 12:55 AM)

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Without directly linking to (or encouraging the downloading of) old software, I will state that Abandonia has a lot of old DOS games up for download that can easily be played in DOSBox.

The only real issue I've found is that, for whatever reason, the "next level" function doesn't work properly in DOSBox's full screen mode. It goes back to the menu instead of the next stage. Works in windowed mode, though.
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EDIT:
Found out why my copy of Awesome wasn't working. It's a 2-disk set, and I somehow downloaded a pair where each was cracked by a different crew. Durrrr... Well, I got a matching set from Horizon and I was good to go.

Holy cow! The game lives up to its name! The music is also extremely good considering, and the game has certainly impressed me. I couldn't find any reference as far as story is concerned, so this music will go down in history as Level 1.

"Level 1"
Used in: What an AWESOME level
<Embed Src="http://perfectkiosk.net/Audio/jw.swf" Width="320" Height="19" FlashVars="file=http://perfectkiosk.net/Audio/Level1.mp3"></Embed>

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Posted on 04-26-08 03:02:44 PM

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I always liked Lemmings and Oh No! More Lemmings! for PSX.
Never really played any other versions.

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Posted on 04-26-08 07:55:52 PM (last edited by windwaker at 04-26-08 06:32 PM)

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Is there one client that lets you play every classic Lemmings map? I have all of the maps but it's kind of a pain to have to use the rather buggy under DOSbox Lemmings 1 client to play the first ~100 levels.

Lemmings DS is quite awesome for those who have homebrew capabilities on their DS. Also, since this is abandonware I wouldn't really worry about linking to the files (Sony owns the license now and says they aren't continuing the franchise).

edit: oooh, just use Lemmini.

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Posted on 04-26-08 09:59:37 PM

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Abandoned or otherwise, the copyright is still current and enforceable.

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Posted on 04-26-08 10:11:06 PM

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Originally posted by GuyPerfect
Abandoned or otherwise, the copyright is still current and enforceable.

Are you the kind of person who is afraid of being arrested for jaywalking?

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Posted on 04-26-08 10:40:30 PM

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Originally posted by windwaker
Originally posted by GuyPerfect
Abandoned or otherwise, the copyright is still current and enforceable.

Are you the kind of person who is afraid of being arrested for jaywalking?

That has a time and place, considering they're strictly enforcing jaywalking laws here due to a large number of accidents

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Posted on 04-27-08 12:46:32 AM (last edited by windwaker at 04-26-08 09:55 PM)

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
Originally posted by windwaker
Originally posted by GuyPerfect
Abandoned or otherwise, the copyright is still current and enforceable.

Are you the kind of person who is afraid of being arrested for jaywalking?

That has a time and place, considering they're strictly enforcing jaywalking laws here due to a large number of accidents

The equivalent would be selling abandonware, or perhaps editing and rereleasing it (which is kind of ironic as this is a ROM hacking forum).

edit: speaking of which, I cannot get any of the Xmas Lemmings to install!

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Posted on 04-27-08 05:26:42 AM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
That has a time and place, considering they're strictly enforcing jaywalking laws here due to a large number of accidents

I actually got yelled at for jaywalked at an empty intersection a few weeks ago. Cop on a megaphone... Whoops.

Anyways, I love that this Lemmings for the DS can use custom levels, it's really quite awesome. I haven't truly hit any challenges though.

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Posted on 04-27-08 06:42:53 AM

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Hey GuyPerfect/anyone else; you were able to run Lemmings 3 with DOSbox? What settings did you use on the install? I don't have any sound.

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Posted on 04-27-08 01:53:38 PM

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Hey, how did you get the mp3s of those songs?

Because if you've found a way to easily convert old DOS-era music into mp3 I would dearly love to know of it.

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Posted on 04-27-08 04:45:13 PM (last edited by GuyPerfect at 04-27-08 01:51 PM)

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windwaker:
Run INSTALL.EXE in the L3 directory first of all. I use all the default options except for Sound Card, which I set to Sound Blaster. Works like a charm.

Miasmir:
DOSBox itself can dump audio output to .wav files by pressing CTRL+F6, then stop capturing by pressing it again.

The musics I posted in this thread were recorded from an Amiga emulator, however. All I did for that was load up Audacity and set the recording source to "Stereo Mix," which uses the Windows waveout as the input. Then I just played the game in the emulator and the audio was thusly captured. The hard part was making sure no sound effects got in the way. A little pause here, a little run-away-from-the-enemies there, and you see (or hear) the results.

Do take note that not all systems support Stereo Mix as an input source. It's likely a feature of the sound card. Most newer systems support it, though.

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Posted on 04-27-08 07:57:49 PM (last edited by Xeo at 04-27-08 05:04 PM)

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Are you sure the licenses are still that big of a deal? I just grabbed Lemmings for Windows off Underdogs site. Even if it's for Win95/98, seems to run perfectly on XP. Much nicer than DOSBox'n the game, but maybe I'm just lazy.

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Posted on 04-27-08 10:24:45 PM

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There was a Windows version of Lemmings and Oh no! More Lemmings released on the same disc as Lemmings Paintball. That's probably the one you got.

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Posted on 04-28-08 07:34:52 AM

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Yup. Tackled most of Lemmings today. Man, it's almost embarassing that it seems like I used to be better at this game when I was much younger, haha. Though maybe it's just because I had so much more patience back then. Replaying levels over and over wasn't a big deal (regardless it's still not a huge deal, lol).

I definitely favor it over the DOS version. Simpler interface, saves your progress, you can essentially choose any level whenever you want (skip ones too. It does mark down the ones you've beaten though). The controls are more fluid, graphics are better obviously, the music is higher quality, etc. All obvious improvements I guess.

I still have to say I like the music from the SNES version the best though, probably just the nostalgic factor.

Oh no! More Lemmings looks pretty sweet. Cool to see it has a whole new style and levels.

I'll probably check out the other games but I do have to admit, Chronicles looks pretty damn complicated.

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Posted on 04-28-08 04:07:16 PM

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But all the special levels are cut out of Windows Lemmings!

Shame there's no hack to somehow put them back in, but they're probably in a strange format.

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Posted on 04-29-08 08:53:32 PM

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Wow, you're right. I was wondering when I was going to reach those levels ... guess I passed most of them. That's a shame.

I like how Oh No! More Lemmings starts off insanely easy then all of a sudden gets insanely hard.

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