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Posted on 04-16-08 07:55:34 PM (last edited by Xkeeper at 04-16-08 04:56 PM) Link | Quote
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Kanzius thought he had found a way attack cancer cells without the collateral damage caused by chemotherapy and radiation. Today, his invention is in the laboratories of two major research centers - the University of Pittsburgh and M.D. Anderson, where Dr. Steven Curley, a liver cancer surgeon, is testing it.

"This technology may allow us to treat just about any kind of cancer you can imagine," Dr. Curley told Stahl. "I've gotta tell you, in 20 years of research this is the most exciting thing that I’ve encountered."


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Posted on 04-16-08 08:15:49 PM Link | Quote
Wow... that's amazing! This is the first article in a while I've fully read, and I find it all brilliant!

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Posted on 04-16-08 08:20:11 PM Link | Quote
Forwarding this to my Biology teacher, he should be interested in this...

Also, this look very interesting; another discovery though circumstances not expected.

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Posted on 04-16-08 08:20:20 PM Link | Quote
Really odd way of finding something, but in all hope I want this to succeed with a nonexistant fail rate. I know that won't happen, but this idea seems so little based on chance or luck that many of its uses should be a success. I don't know how far this has gotten in terms of areas using it, but it better damn well become a popular treatment.



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Posted on 04-16-08 08:34:01 PM Link | Quote
Just kinda nice to keep up with these methods every once in a while...

This was another one I heard of not too long ago...

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Posted on 04-16-08 08:38:28 PM Link | Quote
I saw this when it was on 60 min. The idea is great! It's too bad they haven't tried to use it on isolated cells, but at least it's a possible alternate method to radiation for first stage cancer.

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Posted on 04-16-08 09:55:12 PM Link | Quote
Of much greater interest than treating cancer is preventing it altogether. I've done some independent research as well as a friend of mine, and we've found that the majority of cancer patients we talk to have had an appendectomy. It's just a correlation at this point, but it seems to suggest that the unknown functionality of the appendix might be to prevent cancer.
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Posted on 04-16-08 11:20:38 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by GuyPerfect
...It's just a correlation at this point, but it seems to suggest that the unknown functionality of the appendix might be to prevent cancer.


You know I've heard this mentioned not too long ago or something about a discussion of the appendix having some sort of function that made it actually worth keeping in, instead of the 'it does nothing or much of anything' that most were led to believe.


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Posted on 04-16-08 11:52:20 PM Link | Quote
I've heard that it's a "breeding ground for useful bacteria".

That'd be kind of funny if it did have such an important use.

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Posted on 04-16-08 11:56:33 PM Link | Quote
Maybe people should think twice about getting any "unimportant" organs removed .

If this method of killing cancer works, then I might actually study how this little contraption works while it cures. It seems like something I find interesting.

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Posted on 04-17-08 12:37:06 AM Link | Quote
This will never pass.
The government makes too much money on treating cancer.
If the cancer threat is eliminated, the USA will lose money. Sad fact, unfortunately.

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Posted on 04-17-08 12:42:02 AM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Raoh
This will never pass.
The government makes too much money on treating cancer.
If the cancer threat is eliminated, the USA will lose money. Sad fact, unfortunately.

Uh, anything to back up this statement or just the type of random made-up commentary that is oh-so-common online now?

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Posted on 04-17-08 12:59:24 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Raoh
This will never pass.
The government makes too much money on treating cancer.
If the cancer threat is eliminated, the USA will lose money. Sad fact, unfortunately.

Yes, because I'm sure we profit so very much from losing plenty of otherwise-productive workers.

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Posted on 04-17-08 02:43:30 AM Link | Quote
Interesting. This is one of the first news articles I've read in a while that doesn't make me facepalm myself... :o

Also, for those who are worried about the USA losing money, they'll break about even when you count the tax money from the people who die.

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Posted on 04-17-08 08:14:05 AM (last edited by BlackNemesis13 at 04-17-08 05:19 AM) Link | Quote
What the crap guys? I hope the cancer cure works too but lay off clockworkz for christ's sake. He has a point. Cures do not make money. Treatments do. This is a known fact. Do you think anyone is still making money off of smallpox or polio? And really I don't think we've cured a disease since then. Why? Because where do you think all of the money goes that's donated toward cancer research of any other currently incurable disease? TREATMENTS not cures. You cure something, you pay one time for the cure and that's it. But with treatments you have to keep buying it until you either can't possibly afford it or you die. The more medicine people have to take or think they need to take, the better as far as money and the politics of this stuff is concerned.



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Posted on 04-17-08 01:10:02 PM Link | Quote
Wafflcakes go here.
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Originally posted by Stigandr
Yes, because I'm sure we profit so very much from losing plenty of otherwise-productive workers.
Considering they pay more while they are dying than if they weren't, yes. This way they are productive, even if it's for a less amount of time, but give more money.

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Posted on 04-17-08 01:41:56 PM (last edited by Shion at 04-17-08 10:43 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Raoh
This will never pass.
The government makes too much money on treating cancer.
If the cancer threat is eliminated, the USA will lose money. Sad fact, unfortunately.


You just lo-o-o-ove negativity in the face of brilliance don't you?

They'd probably make MORE money off of this. The cancer threat wouldn't BE eliminated because it wouldn't be PREVENTED because of this machine; if you read the article, you'll note that this isn't a prevention technique AT ALL. THAT would be the BEST thing that would happen in this case. That being said, they could EASILY jack up on the price on this.

Prevention would be under your thought process as a possibility for 'never pass'...but even then that's a little on the extreme of human thoughts; I think more people would be more in line for self-preservation FOR their cash than cash OVER their own self-preservation. Just comes to good logic, really.

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Posted on 04-17-08 04:09:03 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by BlackNemesis13
What the crap guys? I hope the cancer cure works too but lay off clockworkz for christ's sake. He has a point.

Speaking as an eternal pessimist here, no, what he has is ludicrous claims of a government conspiracy (seriously, re-read his post) that should be called out for the bullshit they are.

I normally like the guy, but once in a while he goes into conspiracy nut mode and I have to smack him. Since he lives a few states away, this is as close as I can get.

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Posted on 04-17-08 05:08:48 PM (last edited by pieguy1372 at 04-17-08 02:09 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Stigandr
Originally posted by BlackNemesis13
What the crap guys? I hope the cancer cure works too but lay off clockworkz for christ's sake. He has a point.

Speaking as an eternal pessimist here, no, what he has is ludicrous claims of a government conspiracy (seriously, re-read his post) that should be called out for the bullshit they are.

It's not a conspiracy. That's what the government does.

They do anything they can to make money for themselves, and then when something useful comes along they either deny it due to a profit loss for them or they charge some insanely high amount for it. The government did not act like this when it first came along, but at one point they turned themselves into a business-type organization (yes, I do see the irony in that word).

It became more notable when Bush came along and it became public that he sold things to friends in no-bid contracts.

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Posted on 04-17-08 06:38:25 PM Link | Quote
Look pieguy... Politics is not your forte'... I thought you already learned that last time.

As for what you said... It's partially true and partially propaganda you picked up and never researched. The government has always taken in money. It's called taxes. It has always acted like this.

it's the government's responsibility care for the health of the people. So obviously money is put out to health-care. In fact, health-care seems to be one of the biggest pieces of the pie lately. So they fund research like this.

Now I don't even know if this guy has been given government money to make this. To me it looks like this whole thing might be being worked on privately right now. In other words, there may be no government involvement at all.

And as for the business-type organization... Well that's only one part of the government you're looking at. There's more to it than you'd think. One normally thinks, POLITICS POLITICS POLITICS and money will just sprout from there to toss around as they please. But really, there's a lot more needed, like contractors to build buildings and people to develop medicines. So yes, the government has business-like aspects to it.

And if you can actually prove that thing about GW, please do. I'd be intrigued.

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