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Posted on 04-13-08 10:03:44 PM (last edited by Yoshi52 at 05-05-08 03:48 PM) Link | Quote
The first Mario World hack I made was Super Mario World ED|TED . It wasn't good... Thanks to all the "helpful" reviews I got from SMW Central users, I decided to make a sequel. This is Super Mario World ED|TED II. It's a simple Mario World hack with no special tiles or other things like that.


NEWS
A new demo has been updated!

DEMO
Here's a new Demo!
<object width="425" height="355"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hzeLofRyw0M&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

If the video is too laggy, go here:
World 2.7 Preview.


SCREENSHOTS


Oops, a glitch...



I wonder what that means.



Oh...



A new water level.



This stage is no longer a side-scroller.



Some speed run levels don't let you use Yoshi.


PATCH
This patch contains Yoshi's Island, Donut Plains, an almost done Vanilla Dome, and an alternate path containing speed runs! Castles 3 and 4 are NOT ED|TED.

SMW ED|TED II World 2.7
It's an IPS patch of course.

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Posted on 04-13-08 10:07:27 PM Link | Quote
Can you post screenshots at least?

It's usually a given.

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Posted on 04-13-08 11:07:34 PM Link | Quote
You were in such a hurry to post this amazing, time-sensitive news that you didn't even have time to upload one screenshot?

No, it doesn't work like that here. Content first, THEN post.

I'll leave this open until tomorrow, in case you have something to add by then...

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Posted on 04-16-08 05:12:42 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Neko54123
You were in such a hurry to post this amazing, time-sensitive news that you didn't even have time to upload one screenshot?

No, it doesn't work like that here. Content first, THEN post.

I'll leave this open until tomorrow, in case you have something to add by then...

I apologize for the wait. I wasted too much time on the opening. But, the patch is up and an outdated preview. The preview only shows world one. Some of those will change in the next patch. They aren't very ED|TED.

EDIT: A new demo is up! The last level isn't available in the patch. It will be in the next one though.

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Posted on 04-17-08 12:11:57 AM Link | Quote
This looks terrible. There's nothing interesting. You didn't even make your own levels. You just hacked up some of the original levels.
You're up against a lot of really good ROM hackers here, and this is just an absolute joke. Sorry.

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Posted on 04-17-08 01:02:43 AM Link | Quote
I think your patch is broken. Everything is really messed up. Based on my limited knowledge of the limitations of the original game and some of the ASM hacks put in place by Lunar Magic, I would guess that your patch wasn't made with a clean ROM.

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Posted on 04-17-08 05:25:25 AM Link | Quote
Doesn't look too terribly interesting. I've always adopted the viewpoint that new graphics don't matter that much if your level design is creative enough, but this seems rather plain and uninspired.

Better luck next time, though?
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Posted on 04-17-08 10:39:22 AM (last edited by Yoshi52 at 04-17-08 07:46 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Joe
I think your patch is broken. Everything is really messed up. Based on my limited knowledge of the limitations of the original game and some of the ASM hacks put in place by Lunar Magic, I would guess that your patch wasn't made with a clean ROM.

In order to make the patch I had to extend the ROM to 1 meg. You probably need a ROM that was extended with Lunar Magic. But if you did have a 1 meg ROM, then, I'm not sure. Is it a Super Mario World 1.0 (U) [!] ROM? It canNOT be the All Stars version.


Originally posted by Tweaker
Doesn't look too terribly interesting. I've always adopted the viewpoint that new graphics don't matter that much if your level design is creative enough, but this seems rather plain and uninspired.

Better luck next time, though?

There were some beginning levels I was going to fix. If the level was in a speed run level, then I can't change it. I'll make more original levels next patch. Or, at least try...


Originally posted by Raoh
This looks terrible. There's nothing interesting. You didn't even make your own levels. You just hacked up some of the original levels.
You're up against a lot of really good ROM hackers here, and this is just an absolute joke. Sorry.

I'll make less modifications, and more original levels on the next patch. Getting comments like yours is what really inspires me.

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Posted on 04-17-08 11:34:45 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Yoshi52



Oops, a glitch...



Why are you even posting a screen of a glitch?

Anyway, I think that the general consensus here is that it looks unoriginal, and I have to agree. After viewing the video, it looks like you are barely editing the levels at all, just moving around a few objects and sprites. You can do better than that.

Here's some helpful tips:
1. When creating your own level, the first thing you oughta do is press Ctrl-Shift-Delete to delete all objects and sprites from the level. This will enable you to create your own original level instead of just moving stuff around.
2. Play around the BG and FG properties. Use different BG's, FG tilesets, sprite tilesets, and colors, so you are able to make a more unique level. Don't just expect to change one color in the BG and think it will look completely new. You don't know how many times I've seen that same Yoshi's Island 1 FG and BG set in hacks, I've been sick of it for years now .
3. SMWCentral has plenty of ExGFX, custom blocks, and sprites. Try some out where you see they will fit well, and use them wisely, without unnecessarily overloading on them.

On another note, that extra clock by the time display in the status bar is unnecessary. Why would you need two things to label the time? Plus, it doesn't look correct on the right-side of the number. I suggest using either just "Time" or the clock.

I don't usually give feedback on SMW hacks anymore, but I thought you could really use some tips.
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Posted on 04-17-08 06:37:21 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Golden Yoshi

Why are you even posting a screen of a glitch?

So other people don't post a screenshot of a glitch I already know about.


Originally posted by Golden Yoshi

Anyway, I think that the general consensus here is that it looks unoriginal, and I have to agree. After viewing the video, it looks like you are barely editing the levels at all, just moving around a few objects and sprites. You can do better than that.

Hm, yeah, I can.


Originally posted by Golden Yoshi

Here's some helpful tips:
1. When creating your own level, the first thing you oughta do is press Ctrl-Shift-Delete to delete all objects and sprites from the level. This will enable you to create your own original level instead of just moving stuff around.

That's what I did for Vanilla Dome 4. And, I will go back, and fix old levels that weren't in the speed runs.


Originally posted by Golden Yoshi

2. Play around the BG and FG properties. Use different BG's, FG tilesets, sprite tilesets, and colors, so you are able to make a more unique level. Don't just expect to change one color in the BG and think it will look completely new. You don't know how many times I've seen that same Yoshi's Island 1 FG and BG set in hacks, I've been sick of it for years now .

I'm happy with how Yoshi's Island 1 came out. I may change the palettes, though.


Originally posted by Golden Yoshi

3. SMWCentral has plenty of ExGFX, custom blocks, and sprites. Try some out where you see they will fit well, and use them wisely, without unnecessarily overloading on them.

I tried to use Custom Sprites, but couldn't figure it out. Is there a FAQ on SMW Central?


Originally posted by Golden Yoshi

On another note, that extra clock by the time display in the status bar is unnecessary. Why would you need two things to label the time? Plus, it doesn't look correct on the right-side of the number. I suggest using either just "Time" or the clock.

Hm...I'll change that, I guess.

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Posted on 04-17-08 09:04:36 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Yoshi52
Originally posted by Joe
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In order to make the patch I had to extend the ROM to 1 meg. You probably need a ROM that was extended with Lunar Magic. But if you did have a 1 meg ROM, then, I'm not sure. Is it a Super Mario World 1.0 (U) [!] ROM? It canNOT be the All Stars version.
Uhh, whatever you're using to make the patch is probably not a very good IPS patcher if it can't make a patch using an unmodified SMW ROM. Try Lunar IPS.

For reference purposes, expanding a ROM by saving a level in Lunar Magic will also add ASM hacks so the game can load sprites in edited levels. Since an IPS patch is just differences between two files, and the same ASM hacks are in both files, the ASM hacks aren't included in the patch. That's why the patch doesn't work.

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Posted on 04-17-08 09:25:28 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Joe
Originally posted by Yoshi52
Originally posted by Joe
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In order to make the patch I had to extend the ROM to 1 meg. You probably need a ROM that was extended with Lunar Magic. But if you did have a 1 meg ROM, then, I'm not sure. Is it a Super Mario World 1.0 (U) [!] ROM? It canNOT be the All Stars version.
Uhh, whatever you're using to make the patch is probably not a very good IPS patcher if it can't make a patch using an unmodified SMW ROM. Try Lunar IPS.

For reference purposes, expanding a ROM by saving a level in Lunar Magic will also add ASM hacks so the game can load sprites in edited levels. Since an IPS patch is just differences between two files, and the same ASM hacks are in both files, the ASM hacks aren't included in the patch. That's why the patch doesn't work.

It doesn't work that way with PPF patches. Anyway, I reuploaded the patch. Try it now. And remember: Super Mario World (U) [!].
Does the file name of the ROM change anything? If it does, the unmodified ROM should be called Super Mario World Original.

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Posted on 04-17-08 10:31:26 PM (last edited by Joe at 04-17-08 07:32 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Yoshi52
It doesn't work that way with PPF patches.
Actually, yes it does. It doesn't work that way with Super Mario 64 because a patch made comparing the original compressed ROM and an extended ROM would contain most of the level and graphics data.

Try, for example, saving a text file in a ZIP file. Change one letter in the text file and save it in another ZIP, then make an IPS comparing the two. An IPS file describing 1 byte changed should be less than 16 bytes, but that file will be much larger because of compression. This is why you must decompress Super Mario 64 before applying the patch.
Originally posted by Yoshi52
Does the file name of the ROM change anything?
No.

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line 487 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 497 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 505 column 205 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 505 column 205 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 511 column 706 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 511 column 706 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 524 column 1747 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 524 column 1747 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 538 column 2719 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 546 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 546 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 546 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 557 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 576 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 576 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 576 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 576 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 577 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 587 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 599 column 1375 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 607 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 607 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 607 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 607 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 608 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 618 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 637 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 637 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 637 column 245 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 646 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 651 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 149 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 631 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 634 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 247 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 249 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 275 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 277 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 305 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 338 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 340 column 73 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 365 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 392 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 420 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 458 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 502 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 562 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 592 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 623 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 270 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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