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Posted on 03-24-08 08:24:39 AM Link | Quote
Jul - Post #2465 - 03-24-08 03:24:39am
Seems like everyone recommends VLC nowadays as the best video player around. This has me confused. Am I the only one constantly pissed off with the astounding number of bugs? Crazy magic subtitles that spontaneously double in size, video output that's cropped to 1/4 of the image one day and blurry the next and sliced in half the next, reading the time of most videos as several hours too long and breaking the seek functions, and of course a plain old random crash every now and then. Does this crap not happen to everyone else or is everyone just putting up with it because there's nothing better? It's very hard to enjoy a movie when it crashes 3 times within an hour and randomly switches to mega-subtitles that cover half the screen for the last several minutes. >:

Seriously WTF.

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Posted on 03-24-08 09:07:55 AM Link | Quote

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I think it's just you and your computer gremlins again...

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Posted on 03-24-08 12:44:05 PM Link | Quote
I think VLC for Linux is better than VLC for Windows. I just installed gentoo this past week and VLC works great, unlike Media Player

But yeah, my VLC experience for Windows isn't very good. Personally, for windows, I like media player classic better as the alternative to Windows Media Player. My only gripe is it doesn't cleanly convert 720 x 480 to full screen correctly like Windows Media Player.
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Posted on 03-24-08 01:51:45 PM Link | Quote
On my Pentium 3 with Windows 2000, VLC was the shit.

On my dual-core with Windows XP, VLC sucks. MPC > VLC in this scenario.

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Posted on 03-24-08 02:51:40 PM Link | Quote
This is another case of "Wow, I've never had that happen to me." syndrome. VLC has never had any major bugs... aside from no longer playing video after a while. (but, that can be fixed)

Media Player Classic always ... didn't work for me, except for one video. I've personally never liked it.

I'm seriously beginning to wonder what the hell is wrong with your hardware.

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Posted on 03-24-08 03:34:44 PM Link | Quote
Probably put a quarter in the power supply and let out the comp's magic dust.

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Posted on 03-24-08 03:36:43 PM Link | Quote
I just use Windows Media Player. OGG, DVD, etc. Got all the needed codecs to make things work, and it works. What are your purposes for using VLC?

If you're recording video via capture card, I highly recommend VirtualDub over VLC.
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Posted on 03-24-08 03:39:08 PM Link | Quote
I'm going to agree with everyone else here, I think it's just you. Besides, I used it to rip two episodes of Futurama a few days ago with no problems whatsoever.

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Posted on 03-24-08 03:46:30 PM (last edited by Shion at 03-24-08 12:47 PM) Link | Quote
Classic case of OE?



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Posted on 03-24-08 06:40:10 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by GuyPerfect
I just use Windows Media Player. OGG, DVD, etc. Got all the needed codecs to make things work, and it works.
Same here. Why get extra software when you don't need to?

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Posted on 03-24-08 07:18:09 PM Link | Quote
Jul - Post #2467 - 03-24-08 02:18:09pm
WMP is way too bloated, I stopped using it ages ago when I got some videos and it just plain wasn't capable of playing them at full speed while VLC was.

Originally posted by Xkeeper
I'm seriously beginning to wonder what the hell is wrong with your hardware.
I'd think the same if it weren't 4 different machines that have exhibited such behaviour.

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Posted on 03-24-08 10:52:13 PM Link | Quote
Let's have a look at your problems.
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Crazy magic subtitles that spontaneously double in size,...
My guess is the subtitles use features VLC doesn't support properly.

Originally posted by HyperHacker
...video output that's cropped to 1/4 of the image one day and blurry the next and sliced in half the next,...
Try a different output filter, or change the color depth.

Originally posted by HyperHacker
...reading the time of most videos as several hours too long and breaking the seek functions,...
Time measurement is not VLC's strong point. I've never seen the seek bar fail to seek, though.

Originally posted by HyperHacker
...and of course a plain old random crash every now and then.
Well, yes, but it's usually able to play all the way through. I only ever see it crash when it's playing H.264 video (this is probably because my computer is crap) or when I'm loading a file while one is playing, and even then it usually works.

If you were to send me the first 5 megabytes of one of these video files, I would be able to tell you if the video is at fault for some of these problems.

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Posted on 03-25-08 01:41:25 AM Link | Quote
The only problem I've had with VLC is touching the slider makes it restart... at the beginning (not fun when you're halfway through a movie). My sister has this problem on her computer too, and we both use different operating systems (2000 and XP). Is that normal?

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Posted on 03-25-08 01:52:12 AM Link | Quote
Well, if you're both trying to play the same video, then yes, that is normal. Otherwise, no. Seeking should work with most audio and video.

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Posted on 03-25-08 02:33:19 AM Link | Quote
Just tried again, and it seems this only happens with .flv -- but all .flvs, regardless of where they're downloaded. Hmm...

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Posted on 03-25-08 03:20:23 AM Link | Quote
Well, I tried a few things.

IIMarckus: VLC seems to be able to seek to parts it's already played, but not past that.

HyperHacker: The subtitle problem seems to be VLC misinterpreting SubStation Alpha-encoded subtitles. I still haven't seen anything like those video problems.

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Posted on 03-25-08 06:14:16 AM (last edited by HyperHacker at 03-25-08 03:22 AM) Link | Quote
Jul - Post #2477 - 03-25-08 01:14:16am
The subtitle problem is clearly some sort of dumb bug because the on-screen text showing things like volume and time doubles in size as well.
The seek bar usually works (except for FLV), but I watch movies on the couch. To use it I have to get up, exit fullscreen, seek, re-enter fullscreen, and sit down again. Compared to hitting a button on the remote (which just emulates the "back/ahead x seconds" keys), this isn't exactly desirable.
The broken video output can be fixed with various tweaking of output modules. It's not a big problem once I get it working (until it randomly breaks and I have to either change some other random setting or reinstall the OS to fix it), but it can be a pain in the ass since the exact tweaks that need to be made seem to change every time, the resulting settings are never anywhere near optimal, and shit like that just plain shouldn't happen in the first place.
The time problems happen on probably 3/4 of videos, the random crashes are as best I can tell completely random (except for only happening when subtitles are on). I could send you some videos that have given me problems, but there are so many of them, I don't know what you intend to accomplish.

Basically VLC appears to be extremely buggy and I was curious if other people have the same problems/overall impression, and if so, why they continue to recommend it. I used to hail it as the best video player around too, but now I'm looking for alternatives. Maybe it's just the Windows version, and most of these people don't run Windows?

There are more bugs I didn't mention because they didn't come up last night or aren't too bad:
  • The default volume setting randomly changed itself a couple times.
  • It frequently skips the first several seconds of the video.
  • Turning the speed up on more CPU-intensive videos causes it to completely stop responding to input. How far you can go is anyone's guess. On other videos, the output simply stops.
  • Speed adjustments don't affect subtitles. So if you play at double speed, you get subtitles overlapping eachother, and if you play at half speed, they disappear early.
  • There's no way to take a screenshot with the subtitles in it.
  • Most of the commands in the remote control interface don't work.
  • Many keys can be assigned as hotkeys but won't actually work (this one has been documented forever, but never fixed).
  • Enabling the "extended" GUI while using the TV tuner crashes it.
  • TV tuner settings are sometimes forgotten.
  • Video from the TV tuner is horribly butchered on most settings and extremely slow and distorted at 640x480.
  • Only one specific set of settings under Stream/Save works at all and produces shitastic results (the rest crash or produce empty files).
  • The video sometimes doesn't show up at all until toggling fullscreen, stopping and restarting, or closing and reopening VLC.
  • If I open certain types of video files (MKV and one other I don't remember), it will load the entire contents of every file in that directory into RAM (meaning generally several gigabytes), and not play.
  • Attempting to open a video that's locked by another process produces no error message. It just refuses to start.
  • The screenshot hotkey sometimes doesn't respond.
  • If you have the screenshot format set to PNG, it will crash or freeze after about the 4th screenshot.
  • If you select "default" for the audio or video module, there's no way to tell which one is the default.
  • "Wallpaper mode" doesn't always work. It's related to the system settings, but I don't know precisely which ones.
  • Its method to disable the screen saver is to change the system settings. Thus when it crashes you're left with no screen saver. The correct way to disable the screen saver (catch and reply to a notification) is piss-easy, and there are plenty of less intrustive/more reliable hacks (automatically move the mouse), so this is just inexcusable.
  • If the video is set to repeat and you're playing in fullscreen, at the end of the video it will exit fullscreen and enter it again.
  • The tooltips in the settings disappear before you can read them all, because they're ridiculously long. Then they won't pop up again until you show a different one, at which point they like to fade in and out really fast a few times. Last I checked a few of them don't wrap either, so they stretch waaaaaaay off the screen.
  • Opening the Hotkeys settings takes forever, and the interface used to assign them is retarded.
  • When you seek, it doesn't generally jump to the next keyframe (if this is the right term) nor does it simply decode and discard frames as fast as possible until it reaches the destination. Most video formats only have one keyframe every few seconds containing an entire image, and then several frames containing only the parts that differ from the previous frame. Since VLC will just jump right to an arbitrary frame you don't get the image from the previous keyframe, thus you get garbage for several seconds (the changes overlaid on a black background instead of the keyframe).
  • Occasionally when started, the main window never actually appears.
  • If I drag a video file into it, stop, then drag a second file into it, it will play the first one when the second one finishes. There is no way to disable this.

Many of these have been in the bug tracker for a long time, and I frequently see many of them brought up on the forums (receiving no response), which makes me seriously doubt it's just me having these problems. And as I mentioned I've used it on 4 different machines* and noticed similar problems on all of them, so it's not some problem with the system. I don't doubt there is something wrong with the OS or hardware, but it certainly isn't responsible for most of these problems. (Not to mention, most programs work just fine, it's mostly only VLC, Firefox, and Windows itself that act up.)
*Two of them I built, one is my laptop, and one was bought from Future Shop and not tweaked at all, so that about rules out the possibility of me breaking something on all 4 of them.

I tried one of the latest nightly builds, BTW, and it's even worse. They've added dozens of new useless features, but have hardly fixed any of the bugs, and all of these new features come with new bugs. It wouldn't play anything with subtitles at all. This is what bugs me the most - they seem more intent on adding new features that nobody needs than fixing the important ones. We can now apply that "everything except this certain character is monochrome" effect at will, but we still can't seek.

If someone wants to suggest alternatives, I do have a fair number of needs:
  • Not be bloated or use a ton of RAM/CPU power. (I.E. not Windows Media.)
  • Support hotkeys for most/all actions in fullscreen, for remote control.
  • Support MKV, OGM, FLV, AVI, MPEG, ASF, MOV, DVD, PHP. WMV would be a bonus.
  • Screenshot command with hotkey.
  • Subtitles, obviously. Including videos with multiple subtitle tracks, and ability to adjust the subtitle position, size, colour, and outline.
  • Multiple audio tracks.
  • Fullscreen mode not have anything but the video itself except when displaying notices, like VLC.
  • TV tuner support and speed control would be a major bonus.

As you can probably imagine I started using VLC in the first place because it was the only player I could find that met all these requirements.

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Posted on 03-25-08 02:14:02 PM Link | Quote
Whoo, that's quite a list. Have you thought about going to VideoLAN and reporting some of them? I'll admit the only one I've encountered in that list is the occasional "skips first few seconds" one. Then again, it's rare that I actually download and play videos.

When it comes to other media players, I also use MPlayer. I haven't had any problems with it, but then again it's still on the default settings and I really haven't tweaked anything. Pretty sure it plays WMVs, though.

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Posted on 03-25-08 05:15:41 PM Link | Quote
I hate to say this (because I hear it said far too often myself), but I'll say it anyway.

You could try and fix it yourself. The source is all there, after all.

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Posted on 03-25-08 11:00:25 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by neotransotaku
I think VLC for Linux is better than VLC for Windows. I just installed gentoo this past week and VLC works great, unlike Media Player



i use Ubuntu and VLC does work better on it then Windows, so I have to agree.
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