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Posted on 02-18-22 04:09:20 AM Link | Quote
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i trust that we're normal enough here to not get into any silly arguments

do you believe in some kind of higher power, or an unprovable but reassuring theory for what happens after our bodies die? i do, and i'll probably elaborate more as the thread goes on...

i think that while often abused, having some kind of personal canon of your own faith is healthy... it saves yourself from a lot of hopelessness... but it's certainly not for everyone

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Posted on 02-18-22 04:16:40 AM Link | Quote
I don't really think too hard about it, but I do kinda hope that there is. I'd love to be able to see the reactions to it after I go... if I knew I could, I'd probably get it over with while I still have all my functions rather than wither away into old age.
Assuming we don't get nuked, that is. I guess I most tend to think about it on sleepless nights, and I tend to mostly just think about the, for lack of a better term, atheistic view of death. I don't really enjoy doing it, but I can't force my brain to think of literally anything else, hence trying to block those thoughts out with audio so I can at least get a little bit of rest for the next day.
Hopefully they figure out how to get us to age slower, that'd be pretty neat.

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Posted on 02-18-22 04:32:36 AM Link | Quote
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i wouldn't want to lose my memories upon entering heaven, but i'm not sure i'd want to be disappointed by knowing what's continuing to happen on earth (given how grim the future looks). if heaven is a perfect, blissful place, and ignorance is bliss, then...

and that's assuming you get free omniscience once you get to heaven, anyway

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Posted on 02-18-22 04:36:22 AM Link | Quote
Well, I was thinking more of like a TV screen or parting the clouds or whatever, not necessarily omniscience...

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Posted on 02-18-22 07:29:03 AM (last edited by sofi at 02-18-22 07:29:17 AM) Link | Quote
reincarnation is more common of a theme for my cultural background, and i feel like that is more `instilled' in me. but i don't really have any spiritual beliefs about an afterlife itself

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Posted on 02-18-22 07:33:37 AM Link | Quote
I became aware I could just die - and functionally disappear - from a very young age. Without having any real concept others had a concept of the afterlife.

Which is both existentially terrifying and... honestly, it's mostly existential terror.
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Posted on 02-18-22 09:49:04 AM (last edited by Sanqui at 02-18-22 09:50:02 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kaj
do you believe in some kind of higher power, or an unprovable but reassuring theory for what happens after our bodies die? i do, and i'll probably elaborate more as the thread goes on...

I was raised as atheist, with no specific belief about the afterlife. While I remember having theorized about what happens after one dies in the past, no "theory" in particular's ever struck a chord with me, and I don't expect that to change any time soon, nor do I see a point in seeking out one that would. That's just me though, whatever makes you* happy!

* generic you

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Posted on 02-18-22 09:57:11 AM Link | Quote
darkwitchclaire post 1376

don't really think much about the afterlife, but i have this idea of the "divine" as a manifestation of the universe itself, perhaps a higher reflection of it that people are able to tap into in different ways

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Posted on 02-18-22 11:18:54 AM Link | Quote
I guess I'm kinda religious, but I don't really know if an afterlife or any deities or anything really exist. It makes me feel a bit goofy sometimes doing things like giving offerings to deities while I'm not even sure if they're really there or not, but personally I found I kinda had this big religion/spirituality-shaped hole in my heart after dipping from Catholicism (only after I got over my YouTube Edgy Atheist phase tho). Seeing my deities in the world around me and whatnot helps me feel more connected to my surroundings, it's been pretty helpful for my mental health generally speaking.

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Posted on 02-18-22 04:35:13 PM Link | Quote
A friend and I came up with our own religion once, I guess I'm part of it, though I kinda keep forgetting. It's basically just hippie stuff with slightly less nature worship.

Also, I keep praying not to any one specific entity but just in case anything out there can both read thoughts and has the power and willingness to help, specifically not to have to wake up in this genetically diseased, chromosomally wrong body of mine the next morning. So far it hasn't worked, but who knows.

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Posted on 02-20-22 06:00:18 PM Link | Quote
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this post might be triggering to those who had a toxic religious upbringing

the thought of there being a god that can read all of my thoughts helps keep me behaved, as well as unashamed. i also find reassurance in knowing that god can see my thoughts, but doesn't judge me for them, as long as i don't act on my temptations. my thoughts are not something that i can control, but rather something that the devil places in my head.

i think humans by nature are demented and it takes a conscious effort to be more pure. it's essential to acknowledge that we'll never truly be free of sin though, we're evil just by existing. as is the way in satan's world. the ability to have faith is one of our greatest gifts, without the ability to pray and be close to god, i'd have nothing left. no matter how much is stripped away from me, i will always have that available to me...

i also see god as a headmate that everyone has, and the same goes for satan, he's also a headmate. they exist in a different subsystem than every other headmate, that subsystem existing in everyone's hearts to some degree, whether they realize it's there or not. it can be explained as a matter of "Good thoughts = God, bad thoughts = Devil", which is an oversimplification, but it's corny cause it's true.

since god exists in all of us, and is channeled through everyone i meet, that makes me doubt if he even has any omnipotent power, at least anymore. if he ever did have that power, maybe he died or something, because there's so much evil that clearly isn't being externally stopped. instead god functions as some sort of Final Fantasy VII lifestream, which itself is just a retelling of the concept of "energy". so i do have a bit of that hippie nature worship in my personal belief system. if we're all made from dust, and we return to dust, and that dust is nature, then well, i guess that makes us all part of mother nature, which is god. it's the whole "god is everything" canon, which i haven't read much on, but i'm sure there are plenty of writings about it that others have made and come to their own conclusions on.

i think in terms of "conclusions", the bible is a popular one, and though it has some pretty sick ass quotes in it, i dunno if it truly is the word of god. i think i'll continue to read it (and maybe some other holy texts) so i have a better understanding of how the fuck we got here as a civilization since it's kind of the most important thing ever written, but i wouldn't be surprised whether it was or wasn't real.

that's all just my own headcanon, though. beliefs don't apply universally. this is just what helps me get through the day. it works for me, i mean, i haven't had any thoughts of suicide ever since i adopted this outlook...

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Posted on 02-20-22 06:19:32 PM (last edited by rokken at 02-20-22 06:20:20 PM) Link | Quote
I'd suggest learning Latin or Greek to get as close to the original texts as you can, if you're into that kind of thing. Even if the word of God is infallible and contained in the texts, the word of English people who knew Latin reading the Latin people who knew Greek reading the Greek people who knew Aramaic definitely isn't.

Also, glad to hear it's helping your mental state.

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Posted on 02-20-22 06:33:25 PM Link | Quote
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i think it'd be easier for me to learn the nuances between the different translations than to learn entirely new languages

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Posted on 02-20-22 06:39:04 PM Link | Quote
Fair enough.

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Posted on 02-23-22 03:52:56 AM (last edited by Kaj at 02-23-22 12:31:59 PM) Link | Quote
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god helps me a lot with dealing with shame, which i still have a lot of inside of me all boiled up from over the years... but it's been getting better. the more i pray, the closer i am to who i truly want to be...

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Posted on 02-23-22 04:50:35 AM Link | Quote
Given my past with sexual abuse, I can definitely get behind doing anything you can to deal with your shame. Shame just drove me further into the cycle, so getting it out as much as possible is pretty important.

Right about now is when I think most about this stuff, but I gotta sleep once I run out of topics to reply to.

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Posted on 03-05-22 06:38:49 AM Link | Quote
I am so scared of death and don't believe there is an afterlife. Every day I am slowly approaching death and one day it will creep up on me and when that happens. Nothing. I'm convinced to keep living so I can keep my mind, emotions, self and journey. Even if it comes down to my personal life being just a speck in the larger picture of this world, with the legacy I leave behind dying with me when everyone who I know and love joins me in non-existence.

I personally try not to think about it, I think it is hard to be non-subjective and rational on the topic and am only talking about it here because I trust this place.
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Posted on 03-05-22 08:39:02 PM Link | Quote
uratoh@jul.rustedlogic.net $ cat message-03-05-22 12:39:02 PM.md

I have a casual attitude towards living/death. In my mind there are two possibilities: either there's something on the other side of this life or there isn't. If there isn't, I'll be too dead to care. If there is, then there's a whole new adventure to be had.

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Posted on 03-12-22 02:23:36 PM Link | Quote
I think a famous philosopher put it right: "Nobody wants to die. Nobody minds being dead, being dead is great! But getting dead... nobody wants to get dead."

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Posted on 04-02-22 04:56:02 PM (last edited by commongardengrey at 04-02-22 05:17:48 PM) Link | Quote
I have this slightly unorthadox veiw of life: we are allways dying, its just that a new consciousness gets born in its place that has all the memories of previous conciouness, beliving itself to be a continum of a single being (untill it dies and another replaces it).

Consciousness is just a fancy term for electric sparks being sent round the brain muscle to generate chemicals that fool us into thinking we are alive (yes this was inspired by SOMA) and when we die, the brain fails to initiate the next round of thinking.

There is nothing on the other side and we have fooled ourselves into thinking we are important enough to have one.

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line 149 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 382 column 278 - Warning: trimming empty <button>
line 382 column 317 - Warning: trimming empty <button>
line 382 column 356 - Warning: trimming empty <button>
line 1117 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 1120 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 210 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 317 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md