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Posted on 02-21-22 07:05:02 PM (last edited by rokken at 02-21-22 07:10:42 PM) Link | Quote
I do occasionally use Twitter for uh, art...

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Posted on 02-21-22 07:08:45 PM Link | Quote

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Originally posted by Kaj
as much as mastodon tries to mimic all of twitter's features, it can't and won't ever be able to mimic twitter's biggest selling point: clout. what's a tweet if there is no possibility that it can ever be a "banger"?
I feel like this is a good thing, the chase for "clout" is one of Twitter's worst aspects and I like that Mastodon isn't like that, especially with it having things like not making like/boost numbers immediately visible


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Posted on 02-21-22 07:11:03 PM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Shining Wing
Originally posted by Kaj
as much as mastodon tries to mimic all of twitter's features, it can't and won't ever be able to mimic twitter's biggest selling point: clout. what's a tweet if there is no possibility that it can ever be a "banger"?
I feel like this is a good thing, the chase for "clout" is one of Twitter's worst aspects and I like that Mastodon isn't like that, especially with it having things like not making like/boost numbers immediately visible

i'd say it's healthier to have less clout-chasing, but it's one of the big reasons why the fediverse won't ever overtake twitter (although i guess that isn't the goal for everyone, but i've definitely seen people be optimistic that it could happen)

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Posted on 02-21-22 07:15:02 PM Link | Quote
For some reason, the most vocal alternatives people are genuinely optimistic that their little competitor will beat [insert trillion dollar company here] at their own game, and chase that to the detriment of actually building a community with good enough content to actually justify said optimism. Cough cough vidlii cough.

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Posted on 02-21-22 07:20:52 PM Link | Quote
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i mean, i don't think ReactOS is ever gonna beat out Windows, let alone be as usable as Linux

i'm satisfied enough that alternatives exist, though. it makes web 2.5 feel less dystopian.

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Posted on 02-21-22 07:28:40 PM Link | Quote
I recently tried 0.4.14 out in VirtualBox and I gotta say, it's not nearly as bad as the reputation claims... sure, it's still in alpha and unstable, but it kinda feels like using Whistler 2419. Especially now that they've hired two full-time kernel developers, and support for programs written for later NTs is just iterative once Server 2003 is done. It definitely will never beat out Windows, but it'll probably be a good replacement for it for Linux users to dual-boot with before 2030.
Yeah, it is nice that they're there at least. It would be worse that they aren't there and people had no choice but to keep the status quo up, I just think that if they were slightly less ambitious and more interested in serving the community they do have (and enforcing some baseline standard of quality), that they'd be better off for it.

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Posted on 02-21-22 07:31:04 PM Link | Quote
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hmm... i suppose ReactOS as an alternative to Wine would be interesting... but given all the work put into Wine, Proton, and all that lately by Valve et al, makes me wonder how much better Wine will be by 2030.

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Posted on 02-21-22 07:38:53 PM Link | Quote
Considering the two projects heavily share code with each other, probably pretty well. There's stuff that WINE just won't do, though --- such as anything requiring physical hardware access. I experienced this with a Game Boy cart flasher program (eventually sidestepped the problem with a different flash cart), but it could manifest as some $150,000 equipment where the company is bankrupt and drivers won't be made for any versions of Windows newer than like, Vista.
Personally, I just like the idea of having an open source version of Windows NT. As much as I like POSIX, there's just something that kinda feels... I dunno, charmingly antiquated, even "retro" if you will, about Windows. Especially if it's open source and you can modify the UI to be a perfect replica of an older version --- NT 3.51 for me.

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Posted on 02-21-22 07:41:43 PM Link | Quote
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dll files and the registry... an antiquated mess with two control panels, just how i like it.

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Posted on 02-21-22 07:45:59 PM (last edited by rokken at 02-21-22 07:46:22 PM) Link | Quote
Gives me warm and fuzzy feelings of childhood to see an EXE file. Comfortingly bloated and slow, like a puffy, padded security blanket.

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Posted on 02-21-22 08:23:57 PM Link | Quote

Shining Wing, level 17, 21117 EXP, 75 posts

Originally posted by Kaj
i'd say it's healthier to have less clout-chasing, but it's one of the big reasons why the fediverse won't ever overtake twitter (although i guess that isn't the goal for everyone, but i've definitely seen people be optimistic that it could happen)
Yeah, it's definitely not the goal for me, I'd much rather have a smaller but better community over a larger one that's awful

That's why I'm here after all


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Posted on 02-21-22 08:27:11 PM Link | Quote
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yeah! like i said, when a community gets too big for me to know everyone personally... it gets overwhelming. and drama seems to escalate that way.

as for this board... well, i've got a generally good idea of everyone around here. everyone that's active, at least.

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Posted on 02-21-22 08:29:03 PM (last edited by rokken at 02-21-22 08:29:23 PM) Link | Quote
Yeah, though there's a difference between a small, tight-knit group and the fediverse which is just kind of empty in my experience which may be from other instances blocking mine once you block all the nazi instances.

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Posted on 02-21-22 08:31:15 PM Link | Quote
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despite all the shitting on mastodon i've done over the past day i still feel an urge to find an instance to join for some reason. gonna tuck that temptation away

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Posted on 02-21-22 08:35:46 PM Link | Quote
I mean, it's natural to be curious about things you don't like. Especially if it's something you already used in the past.

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Posted on 02-21-22 08:38:21 PM Link | Quote
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eh, maybe it's fomo or something. or the repeating urge to get back on twitter (or something like it)

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Posted on 03-11-22 09:00:42 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kaj
imagine this... what if we had a social software... completely federated, not interconnected through a larger network... where people could make THREADS... and POST in those threads...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

oops. (usenet is painful trash though to set up iirc)

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Twitter shoved two full-screen NFT profile pic reminders in my face while I was on my phone the other day and I finally got pissed off enough to take an extended hiatus and go back to my Mastodon account

I'm over on chitter.xyz

I hope Twitter burns

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I kinda hope that twitter becoming unusable for non-users will make it bleed people. Probably not platform ending but you know, the less art that's gated behind that shithole the better.

With how much art only gets posted over there, it'd actually be pretty disasterous if it died overnight. Real cool how much of our cultural output is once again dependant on one place not keeling over again. We sure learned from tumblr

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line 955 column 1331 - Warning: <div> anchor "shiningwing-header" already defined
line 955 column 1410 - Warning: <div> anchor "shiningwing-content" already defined
line 957 column 1938 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 957 column 1938 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 958 column 2032 - Warning: <div> anchor "shiningwing-footer" already defined
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line 1570 column 140 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 1570 column 244 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 1579 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 1584 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 1564 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 204 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 231 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 385 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 412 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 566 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 594 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 746 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 774 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 926 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 953 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 1163 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 1342 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 1554 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 327 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md