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Posted on 02-21-22 08:42:12 PM Link | Quote
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i just wonder how long it'll take for canonical to get over snaps and get onto the flatpak train. i'd say in 2025 maybe they'll stop with the snapcraft thing

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Posted on 02-22-22 06:41:55 PM Link | Quote
I don't think I've ever used either snap or flatpak. I have used the Krita and LMMS appimages... and honestly, I would love to see AppImage be more available for Linux software. It seems like the perfect analog for .apps, which alongside the /applications folder structure is one of the things that I explicitly do like about OS X.

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Posted on 02-22-22 06:57:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by rokken
I don't think I've ever used either snap or flatpak. I have used the Krita and LMMS appimages... and honestly, I would love to see AppImage be more available for Linux software. It seems like the perfect analog for .apps, which alongside the /applications folder structure is one of the things that I explicitly do like about OS X.

That's exactly the inspiration, too. If you read a lot of the early blog posts detailing the philosophy that lead to helloSystem, the AppImage dev's freebsd-based project, you'll see a lot of referring back to the old Mac way of doing things...from early OSX stretching all the way back.

https://medium.com/@probonopd/bring-back-the-ease-of-80s-and-90s-personal-computing-393738c5e2a1
https://medium.com/@probonopd/hello-lets-make-a-freebsd-for-mere-mortals-41b8f93ba075
https://medium.com/@probonopd/the-desktop-metaphor-must-be-restored-its-under-attack-6fcd8fa45cc

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Posted on 02-22-22 07:10:52 PM Link | Quote
Huh, alright. I've been interested in helloSystem for a while, and apparently it works just fine on ppc/ppc64, so I may check it out.

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Posted on 02-22-22 07:11:12 PM Link | Quote
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i'm the opposite, i don't have much experience with appimages. i know integration is also weird with flatpaks, but i remember appimages looking especially off compared to the rest of the desktop.

that and i don't see people talk about appimages as much as they do flatpaks

whenever i install a flatpak though, i worry about if there's some issue or missing functionality not present in the version provided in my distro's package repos. however, flatpak versions are always newer than the distro-specific builds, and developers are increasingly supporting them... appimages? i'm not so sure

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Posted on 02-22-22 10:05:29 PM Link | Quote

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It's starting to feel like an unpopular opinion these days that KDE Plasma is a good desktop environment hehe,

Anyway, here's my small rant about GNOME lol

I've seen people say often when comparing it to GNOME that KDE requires tweaking to be good but GNOME is good out of the box, but I feel like it's the opposite (at least outside of Ubuntu), Plasma is very intuitive and familiar out of the box (especially with its Windows-like layout) but vanilla GNOME requires installing external software to even get basic standard UI features like a minimize and maximize buttons or even a dark theme, vanilla GNOME is so needlessly unconventional that I have no idea why anyone ever recommends it as a "beginner-friendly" desktop environment

I like that Ubuntu has much more reasonable defaults with its Unity-style side dock and default minimize/maximize buttons and such (as well as giving you a dark theme built-in), and I could maybe see myself being okay with using their version of it if I had to, but vanilla GNOME just makes no sense to me and I'm normally a UI nerd who has an easier time than most when it comes to learning new UIs, maybe I could like it with the right extensions but I feel like it gets away from the whole ease-of-use and beginner-friendly aspects when I have to do that

I really don't get why GNOME Tweaks is something necessary and why it isn't just part of the Settings app, basic desktop appearance settings shouldn't be something you need to install extra software for, GNOME often feels even more "my way or the highway" than Apple and it's one of the things I've never liked about current GNOME

This isn't to say that there's nothing it does better than KDE, there's some things I like about GNOME, but god it really feels like the exact opposite of what I like about Linux software, and I feel like Plasma offers a better out-of-box user experience

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Posted on 02-22-22 10:13:01 PM Link | Quote
I haven't used either in years, so I can't offer my own opinion, but I've heard lots of people say KDE Plasma 5 was good, enough that Slimbook started selling laptops with the KDE logo on them. Did something happen to change that?

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Posted on 02-22-22 10:20:24 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shining Wing
I really don't get why GNOME Tweaks is something necessary and why it isn't just part of the Settings app, basic desktop appearance settings shouldn't be something you need to install extra software for, GNOME often feels even more "my way or the highway" than Apple and it's one of the things I've never liked about current GNOME


I'm a GNOME fangirl and love their keyboard-based way of doing things that has a more similar design philosophy to i3 than to Windows, iOS, or GNOME 2. I don't wanna debate the quality of the environment (god knows you encounter enough GNOME hate by entering any Linux community anywhere), but this particular issue is something they're slowly working to address. Settings are slowly being moved out of tweaks and into typical settings. Extensions is now its own application, the multitasking tab was added for hot corner, snapping, and workspace options, etc. I think the team want to get rid of tweaks as much as everyone else...it's a messy solution.

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Posted on 02-23-22 04:05:31 AM (last edited by Kaj at 02-23-22 12:32:07 PM) Link | Quote
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hey, at least gnome has extensions... you can't tweak mac os in the way you can tweak gnome...

then you have plasma, which, well, i've already discussed it. but installing something and having a million system settings and accessories, that overwhelms me... i like how gnome condenses it all into one place. i know where everything is right off the bat. it's familiar

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Posted on 02-23-22 04:24:41 AM Link | Quote
This is going to be really niche, but while I do love Window Maker, there is one thing I hate about it: the applications menu is a complete mess, and is halfway to useless, there are some GUI programs I just have to run from terminal because they never show up. I say this is unpopular because I've never really seen anyone complain about it whenever anyone even knows that Window Maker exists.
It's a great UI, and I love how easy it is to skin, but also, it's just so bad with some things.
I'd love for other, more conventional DEs like MATE to be as easy to skin as Window Maker, which lets you specify background images for every single element of the UI, but I'd also love for them to not suck as much with the apps menu, which they usually don't. I'm generally able to get to everything I have installed with MATE/Gnome 2/even KDE 4 or Xfce, but not WM.

Also, I'm kinda starting to see the appeal to minimal, DIY binary distros like Arch and Void. I personally use Void on my iMac G5... and it's a horrible experience, but I think that's dying RAM; the count is a weird "1820MiB" in Neofetch and someone I know mentioned having similar symptoms and replacing the RAM solved the issue. But like, it chugs more with IceWM than my iBook G3 does with Tiger. I know because I tried using GrafX2 on both. I like xbps-install, though, and I'm deciding between Void and the Lubuntu 16.04 repack that Wicknix did -- not because I like LXDE, I don't, but because he included a bunch of Mac-specific different extra features that I don't know the availability of on Void.

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